Uber driver with concealed handgun prevents mass shooting in Chicago

[Apex]

Both of your examples wouldn't even exist if the gun the bad guy had was off the street. I know it's to late to disarm America, but to claim the way to get rid of shooting is more shooting is, well, crazy. There's a reason the rest of the world doesn't feel a need to arm it's citizens, and so far the gub'ment hasn't even taken away my rights.

The argument centers more around self-defense than "shooting to get rid of shootings".

 

[Quagmire]

I still say it's not that great. It's fortunate no one was harmed, and the driver isn't being charged, but the solution still lies within preventing a shooting before it happens, not once it has happened.

On the other hand, preventing it while it's happening is better than picking up the pieces afterwards.

 

[suncowiam]

Sounds like we should start looking at banning alcohol.

Well, you could make an argument on how destructive something is to society... Is that what you're saying?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

On the other hand, preventing it while it's happening is better than picking up the pieces afterwards.

It is. It really isn't a victory for the far-pro-gun crowd or a "I told you so" because a million different things could have put that driver somewhere else, got him there late, or too early.
It is events like these that I describe as "lucky." It's very fortunate it did happen like it happened. The "good guy with a gun" scenario clearly is unreliable. We still must work towards making such a thing a rarity. There are so many simple steps to take, steps that would not at all target law abiding citizens, but the pro-gun lobby is very loud, very wealthy, and they have very powerful allies. They are so damn paranoid about the government coming for their guns that even opposed cracking down on the ivory trade because classic guns sometimes have ivory which meant "OMGZ!!! D'uh gubmint gonna tuk r gunz!" When you allow Ted Nugent to be one of your official spokespeople, you have issues. It's pretty much on par with wishing Wagner could speak on your groups behalf, which would have made Hitler's day. Actually, I'd have to say the NRA in general tends to give responsible gun owners a bad name. If they weren't around we might even be able to adjust the law with ease so people like these are never allowed to own guns again.
Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[McBell]

It is. It really isn't a victory for the far-pro-gun crowd or a "I told you so" because a million different things could have put that driver somewhere else, got him there late, or too early.
It is events like these that I describe as "lucky." It's very fortunate it did happen like it happened. The "good guy with a gun" scenario clearly is unreliable. We still must work towards making such a thing a rarity. There are so many simple steps to take, steps that would not at all target law abiding citizens, but the pro-gun lobby is very loud, very wealthy, and they have very powerful allies. They are so damn paranoid about the government coming for their guns that even opposed cracking down on the ivory trade because classic guns sometimes have ivory which meant "OMGZ!!! D'uh gubmint gonna tuk r gunz!" When you allow Ted Nugent to be one of your official spokespeople, you have issues. It's pretty much on par with wishing Wagner could speak on your groups behalf, which would have made Hitler's day. Actually, I'd have to say the NRA in general tends to give responsible gun owners a bad name. If they weren't around we might even be able to adjust the law with ease so people like these are never allowed to own guns again.
Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That there be an awful lot of wishful thinking....

 

[darkendless]

The argument centers more around self-defense than "shooting to get rid of shootings".

Doesn't every pro-gun argument centre around self defence?

In Australia we have self defence called real guns laws and not a spastic amount of guns in the country.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

RF Member snaps, and shoots a deserving victim:
Colorado man shoots computer, gets firearms citation - World - CBC News

That could really catch on! Get people to donate old computers and then shoot them up with a .50 cal machine gun.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

In contrast, gun crime here in the UK is so infrequent, it's news: you will hear pretty much every instance of a fatal shooting on national TV/radio news - there are a few dozen a year, max. Laws here are excessive (with a classic bit of WTFery, someone who found a gun on the street and took it straight to a police station was arrested for possession of a firearm.. that's how stupid legislation can get), yet I'd still rather be in this environment than the US one. But I don't know how gun control over there could be implemented without turning a large number of gun-loving otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals, which is unlikely to help.

I'm really grateful to live in a country like the UK where guns aren't in general circulation.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is. It really isn't a victory for the far-pro-gun crowd or a "I told you so" because a million different things could have put that driver somewhere else, got him there late, or too early.
It is events like these that I describe as "lucky." It's very fortunate it did happen like it happened. The "good guy with a gun" scenario clearly is unreliable. We still must work towards making such a thing a rarity. There are so many simple steps to take, steps that would not at all target law abiding citizens, but the pro-gun lobby is very loud, very wealthy, and they have very powerful allies. They are so damn paranoid about the government coming for their guns that even opposed cracking down on the ivory trade because classic guns sometimes have ivory which meant "OMGZ!!! D'uh gubmint gonna tuk r gunz!" When you allow Ted Nugent to be one of your official spokespeople, you have issues. It's pretty much on par with wishing Wagner could speak on your groups behalf, which would have made Hitler's day. Actually, I'd have to say the NRA in general tends to give responsible gun owners a bad name. If they weren't around we might even be able to adjust the law with ease so people like these are never allowed to own guns again.
Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We're so often stereotyped as dim rubes spouting the likes of, "Da gubmint gonna tuk r gunz!".
I propose we tag the anti-gun rights crowd as effete liberal sheep bleating, "Oh, Great Uncle Sam,
I submit to thee! Thou granteth me the security I crave, but cannot be trusted with. Resistance is immoral!".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We're so often stereotyped as dim rubes spouting the likes of, "Da gubmint gonna tuk r gunz!".
I propose we tag the anti-gun rights crowd as effete liberal sheep bleating, "Oh, Great Uncle Sam,
I submit to thee! Thou granteth me the security I crave, but cannot be trusted with. Resistance is immoral!".

You've never struck me as the type of crazy lunatic who should not be able to buy a gun but yet can buy one anyways, and based on our past discussions you don't seem to be the paranoid type of "dey gonna tuk r gunz!"

 

[Revoltingest]

You've never struck me as the type of crazy lunatic who should not be able to buy a gun but yet can buy one anyways, and based on our past discussions you don't seem to be the paranoid type of "dey gonna tuk r gunz!"

But I am one of those who sees that the grabbers aim to take them.
So we continue to fight them....& we've won some battles lately.
It isn't paranoia if they really are out to get you.

 

[dust1n]

Given the circumstances, good on the guy.