Ugly truth

[metis]

If Hamas were to actually seek peace and stop firing off rockets into Israel, there would be peace.

 

[Valjean]

We’ll see

I doubt it. Noöne's trying to address the causes of the problem.

The two sides are just doubling down with the actions that caused the dispute in the first place. The solution to a dispute is not to repeat the actions that led to the dispute.

 

[Valjean]

Palestinians are at ZERO RISK of being exterminated, zero.

Israelis will always be at some risk of total annihilation.

Consider that when you think about "proportionality".

Good point. The Israelis have been a small, hated ethnic enclave surrounded by angry neighbors for nearly 80 years. As I see it, they've had two choices: Be nice, or be mean and aggressive. They've chosen the latter. How long they can maintain their precarious position is anyone's guess, especially considering their dependence on US aid to maintain their military might.

 

[Jimmy]

I doubt it. Noöne's trying to address the causes of the problem.

The two sides are just doubling down with the actions that caused the dispute in the first place. The solution to a dispute is not to repeat the actions that led to the dispute.

Nothing stays the same

 

[libre]

If Hamas were to actually seek peace and stop firing off rockets into Israel, there would be peace.

If by peace you mean the Gazans go back to living under brutal conditions of occupation and Israelis continue regular civilian life, then I agree with you. However, those brutal conditions would eventually lead to the rise of more terrorism.

 

[Valjean]

Maybe we should reconsider the old, two-state proposal.

 

[metis]

If by peace you mean the Gazans go back to living under brutal conditions of occupation and Israelis continue regular civilian life, then I agree with you. However, those brutal conditions would eventually lead to the rise of more terrorism.

The conditions are nowhere near as brutal as some have stated. Yes, it's a highly condensed area with quite a bit of poverty, but you'll find that to be true of cities and towns in the Middle East. Gaza has the highest birth rate of any region in the world, thus this is very much a contributing factor. I've been in the Middle East and seem some of this for myself, and my parents spent time in Cairo, and I remember seeing their pictures and hearing their accounts.

If Hamas stops fighting, there will be peace. If Israel stops fighting, there will be many more dead Israelis.

 

[Bthoth]

First I’d like to say that I think what Israel is doing is wrong. Also I think many people don’t understand why Israel is doing what they’re doing. The reason why they’re doing what they’re doing is out of fear that the same thing would’ve happened to them had they done nothing. Also they’re acting extreme to ensure a hamas attack won’t ever happen again. This is their reasoning. Personally I think they should’ve found another way.

What is sad, is what israel is doing is creating more HAMAS (resistance). Now they will come from all sides and israel cannot blow them all up.

I am beginning to wonder how many israelis will join HAMAS. If UNWRA workers did actually help in the 10/7 atrocity, i wonder what will be next.

 

[sun rise]

. Noöne's trying to address the causes of the problem.

Nothing stays the same

It appears as though the fear and hatred will continue until everyone finally feels "enough". It took two world wars for that to be the case in Europe but still after terrible destruction of lives and properly we still have Russia starting a war with Ukraine. Japan was ready to prolong the war until the bitter end which was two atomic bombs causing horrible destruction.

There will be a change some day. People of good will can help that process along.