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UK banning all petrol , diesel, and hybrid vehicles by 2035.

Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
sun rise said:
True but as you pointed out if you need range and also can't wait between charges with the current state of the art.

I have a PEV so I can use electricity or gas as needed. Since most of my trips are very short, my gas mileage is over 100mpg overall. When I'm using gas only, it's close to 35-40 on average. That shows I'm on battery a lot. And I typically recharge only at night when costs are cheapest (I have time of day electricity pricing).
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If you do not need range you at ok but the electric vehicle is, on average, considerably more expensive than gas, as is a hybrid as compared to its gas guzzling brethren

and another thing to take into account, that you generally do not have to think about in your area of the left coast, winter. Add dealing with snow into the mix and temps of 0 degrees Fahrenheit, and the range diminishes.

don’t get me wrong, I want electric vehicles to be more prevalent in the globe, but currently I think you would have a hard time convincing a family of 4 to pony up the extra cash to buy one when there is a much cheaper option sitting on the lot right next to it that takes gas
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Nowhere Man said:
Petrol and diesel ban: UK gives car industry 15 years to ditch fossil fuels - CNN

It's only 15 years away. *Yikes*

Apparently it's only electric and hydrogen vehicles that will be allowed.

It's going to be interesting to say the least.

My question is where are people going to hook up? How are the batteries going to be disposed of? And just how expensive will it be, considering electricity will be in massive demand as a companies take advantage of substantial price increases and gouging? Will there be continuous rolling blackouts and brown outs because of the demand of electricity taxing the grid?

And how are the electric companies going to be run? Will there be a ban as well on diesel turbines and the like?
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They have the luxury of doing this because they are geographically small in comparison to even Texas; they also have mass transit infrastructure in place; their cities are relatively compact by comparison with US cities.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Wu Wei said:
If you do not need range you at ok but the electric vehicle is, on average, considerably more expensive than gas, as is a hybrid as compared to its gas guzzling brethren

and another thing to take into account, that you generally do not have to think about in your area of the left coast, winter. Add dealing with snow into the mix and temps of 0 degrees Fahrenheit, and the range diminishes.

don’t get me wrong, I want electric vehicles to be more prevalent in the globe, but currently I think you would have a hard time convincing a family of 4 to pony up the extra cash to buy one when there is a much cheaper option sitting on the lot right next to it that takes gas
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Much cheaper than $30k? Per Carmax: There are 15 fully-electric vehicles available for purchase in the US. They range in price from under $30,000 to over $80,000.

J
 
Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
sun rise said:
Much cheaper than $30k? Per Carmax: There are 15 fully-electric vehicles available for purchase in the US. They range in price from under $30,000 to over $80,000.

J
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what size are they, what model, new or used, location, and can Carmax deliver to any state?
 
Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
sun rise said:
Google carmax electric car.
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All used cars. I am talking new, I am comparing new electric to new gas vehicles. If you are talking used then gas vehicles of the same size with the same mileage are still cheaper. Can't really compare used to new and talk price

As long as they are higher priced and as long as it is longer to charge and harder to find a place to charge them they will not be as popular as I wish they would be
 
SoyLeche

SoyLeche

meh...
Haven’t read all of the thread, so maybe already covered:

seems like the obvious solution to the charging problem would be to have the batteries be easy to swap in and out. Run low, stop at a station, swap the battery, they charge the old one to swap later with someone else.

there may be some difficulty with the plan that I don’t understand, but it seems reasonable to me.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Wu Wei said:
All used cars. I am talking new, I am comparing new electric to new gas vehicles. If you are talking used then gas vehicles of the same size with the same mileage are still cheaper. Can't really compare used to new and talk price

As long as they are higher priced and as long as it is longer to charge and harder to find a place to charge them they will not be as popular as I wish they would be
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There are of course cheaper gas cars, but as I pointed out, I'm not comparing initial costs but lifetime costs where a higher initial investment can be cheaper over the lifespan of the car depending on circumstances.

Cheapest Electric Cars for 2020
  • 2019 Volkswagen e-Golf | $32,790.
  • 2020 Chevrolet Bolt EV | $37,495.
  • 2020 Hyundai Kona Electric | $38,085.
  • 2019 Kia Niro EV | $39,545.
 
Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
sun rise said:
There are of course cheaper gas cars, but as I pointed out, I'm not comparing initial costs but lifetime costs where a higher initial investment can be cheaper over the lifespan of the car depending on circumstances.

Cheapest Electric Cars for 2020
  • 2019 Volkswagen e-Golf | $32,790.
  • 2020 Chevrolet Bolt EV | $37,495.
  • 2020 Hyundai Kona Electric | $38,085.
  • 2019 Kia Niro EV | $39,545.
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Nice but most are more concerned with initial cost, what it will cost them right now. It is nice to think of lifetime cost, if you can afford that luxury, but many cannot and until electric cars are either price similarly or the only thing available there will always be a majority of gas powered vehicles.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
oldbadger said:
In 15 years' time an IC vehicle (already on the road) in good condition will be worth a lot of money, is all I'm trying to convey. But it will cost a fortune to tax!
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Then perhaps it'll become so aged & rare that it'll get special
licensing (cheap) as a collectible or historic vehicle.

Btw this is a pic of Mr Duplex, my antique truck (@1908),
which was made near here (Charlotte, MI).
He's the earliest example in existence from Duplex.
SANFORD%2B-%2BONE%2BTON%2B-%2B1912.jpg

4 wheel drive (by chain)
2 cylinder dual carb engine (underneath the driver)
Solid rubber tires on wooden spoked wheels.
 
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