Father Heathen
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UK cleric leaves mosque over evolution – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
And of course, they thirst for his blood.
And of course, they thirst for his blood.
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UK cleric leaves mosque over evolution.
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David M
Well-Known Member
CNN needs to do some fact checking.
He did not leave the mosque, in fact he is still on the board of trustees. What happened is he stopped leading prayers because he did not want other members prayers being disrupted.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Either way, it's a shame that he was pretty much forced to denounce his scientific beliefs for fear of his life.
This is what religion does to people. There is no true freedom in religion. If you have different views you are outcast, buried up to your neck and stoned.
Sign me up!
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
There are many Christians who have equally ignorant views about evolution, and equally strong beliefs in the creation myths.
The sad part is that the numbers of such people are actually increasing.
The future of the world might one day be in their hands.
The sad part is that the numbers of such people are actually increasing.
The future of the world might one day be in their hands.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Wouldn't be too sure of that.
"The percentage of American adults who identify themselves as Christians dropped from 86% in 1990 to 77% in 2001. This is an unprecedented drop of almost 1 percentage point per year.
The percentage of American adults who identify themselves as Protestants dropped below 50% about the year 2005.
Confidence in religious institutions has hit an all-time low.
At the present rate of change, most Americans would identify themselves as non-religious or non-Christian by the year 2035 CE.
The numbers of "unchurched" people has increased rapidly in the U.S. These are individuals who have not attended church in recent months.
Agnosticis, Atheists, secularists. and NOTAs (none of the above) are growing rapidly.
Attendance: The average number of people at Protestant church services has been declining:Year Church attendance
1992 102
1997 100
1998 95
1999 90
2000 90
2003 89"
source
The percentage of American adults who identify themselves as Protestants dropped below 50% about the year 2005.
Confidence in religious institutions has hit an all-time low.
At the present rate of change, most Americans would identify themselves as non-religious or non-Christian by the year 2035 CE.
The numbers of "unchurched" people has increased rapidly in the U.S. These are individuals who have not attended church in recent months.
Agnosticis, Atheists, secularists. and NOTAs (none of the above) are growing rapidly.
Attendance: The average number of people at Protestant church services has been declining:Year Church attendance
1992 102
1997 100
1998 95
1999 90
2000 90
2003 89"
source
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Creationism reaches far further than church goers, or Muslims.
As education levels fall and extreme views take precedence scientific knowledge is devalued.
As we have seen on this forum, even seemingly intelligent members fall prey to the Ideas of creationism.
Bismillah
Submit
Don't be daft, this is what a lack of education does to people.
Khalid Anees, president of the Islamic Society of Britain, at a conference, Creationism: Science and Faith in Schools, made points including the following:[7] "Islam also has its own school of Evolutionary creationism/Theistic evolutionism, which holds that mainstream scientific analysis of the origin of the universe is supported by the Qur'an. Many Muslims believe in evolutionary creationism, especially among Sunni and Shia Muslims and the Liberal movements within Islam. Among scholars of Islam İbrahim Hakkı of Erzurum who lived in Erzurum then Ottoman Empire now Republic of Turkey in 18th century is famous of stating 'between plants and animals there is sponge, and, between animals and humans there is monkey'.
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Erm...quite the generalisation. Some religions are well known for this behaviour while others are nothing like it. Please don't put every religion into the same tiny box.
Mellonhead
Member
"Seemingly intelligent."
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I agree with Madhuri.
It may be more constructive to check out other religions - especially non-Abrahamic religions before coming out with such broad asserations. Certainly some religions are known for such things, but some religions are not.
We know not all religious people are creationists, but what's not known is that not all religions use creation myths over evolution, for example; this wouldn't happen with Sikhs, because Sikhs do not have a creation story.
Hope this helps a bit.
But as to the OP, meh.
Creationism is still big with Muslims in Britain. Really big, unfortunately.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Don't be daft. Quoting some reference does nothing to negate the fact that most Muslims I have met in my life have directly denied evolution. And I can tell you, I've had the conversation with quite a few.
I guess they should probably read more.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
I agree with Madhuri.
It may be more constructive to check out other religions - especially non-Abrahamic religions before coming out with such broad asserations. Certainly some religions are known for such things, but some religions are not.
We know not all religious people are creationists, but what's not known is that not all religions use creation myths over evolution, for example; this wouldn't happen with Sikhs, because Sikhs do not have a creation story.
Hope this helps a bit.
But as to the OP, meh.
Touche'
I should have been more specific. Generally when I speak of religion, it's in reference to the Abrahamic types.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Well, I can only go by my own experiences now can't I? I obviously do not know how every single Muslim in the world thinks, and can therefore only go by what I've seen. The fact that the ones I have talked to do not put any stock into evolution just tells me either the Quran is not clear on it's stance, or the ones I've talked to do not believe it.
It's not uncommon for followers of fairytale stories (bible, Quran) to cherrypick things from them.
And as far as assertions being useful to you, meh. That doesn't concern me. Take from it what you will, I won't lose any sleep over it.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Hehe, I get you. It's quite common.
However, I only said it because I like your posts.
Religion isn't the enemy, ignorance is, and there are just as many ignorant non-religious or anti-religious people as here are ignorant religious people. You'll begin to see that after you've been here for a while.
Unless of course you're one of those people, in which case you probably wont see it.
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RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Hehe, I get you. It's quite common.
However, I only said it because I like your posts.
Hehe, Thanks.
I'm usually the first one to admit when i say dumb or inaccurate things. I'm pretty open to being called out on it. Can only make me stronger right?
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Religion isn't the enemy, ignorance is, and there are just as many ignorant non-religious or anti-religious people as here are ignorant religious people. You'll begin to see that after you've been here for a while.
Unless of course you're one of those people, in which case you probably wont see it.
While I agree with most of what you said (And no I'm not one of them
) I should have specified that I was refering to organized religion, not the idea of religion. The idea in and of itself does not bother me. It's when ignorant people get together and do unfortunate things in the name of the religion, I take issue with it.