UK, India, Pakistan Muslims welcome ban on hate preacher Zakir Naik

[Andal]

You guys are missing something important here that distinguishes the Pope from Naik. The Pope, despite anything insulting he says about other religions and his theological policies in the third world, is a head of state. That is why he is not likely to be banned from entering many countries (particularly western ones). Even though the Vatican has no tangible power in terms of international politics it is still a diplomatic courtesy.

Aum Hari Aum!

 

[YmirGF]

You guys are missing something important here that distinguishes the Pope from Naik.

Oh, I don't think I am missing anything here. I can't say the same for others in this thread however.

The Pope, despite anything insulting he says about other religions

But that's the point. He did not and has not insulted any of the world's religions. It is only hyper-sensitive people who don't read what he is actually saying that were insulted. Jeez, Louise!

 

[The Voice of Reason]

A radical Muslim preacher from India has been banned from coming to the United Kingdom because of his alleged extremist views. Zakir Naik, known for his often inflammatory television sermons, was due to give a series of lectures in Britain, but the government said he would not be allowed to enter the country because of his “unacceptable behaviour” that included comments purporting to glorify terrorism ...

I am glad to see the Islamic community speaking out against these types of extremists. The more this is done, the better it reflects on the peaceful followers of your religion.

 

[Caladan]

A radical Muslim preacher from India has been banned from coming to the United Kingdom because of his alleged extremist views. Zakir Naik, known for his often inflammatory television sermons, was due to give a series of lectures in Britain, but the government said he would not be allowed to enter the country because of his “unacceptable behaviour” that included comments purporting to glorify terrorism.

It is sad when a preacher who speaks in the name of his faith and shares the same faith as great men such as Jalaluddin Rumi, Ibn Arabi, and Hafiz can represent Islam so radically different, in such a low and unintellectual fashion, while these other men have conquered the world with their words, this man humiliates his Din and encourages the rising global tensions.

 

[Andal]

Oh, I don't think I am missing anything here. I can't say the same for others in this thread however.

But that's the point. He did not and has not insulted any of the world's religions. It is only hyper-sensitive people who don't read what he is actually saying that were insulted. Jeez, Louise!

YmirGF,

I didn't say specifically you. I'm speaking in terms of the general comparison being made.

I'm not saying the pope did or didn't say anything insulting because that's really in the eye of the beholder. I'm saying despite what people think of what he says, he's still a head of state and therefore comparing him to Naik in terms of entering the UK is an inappropriate comparison.

Aum Hari Aum!

 

[K.Venugopal]

The Pope, like Mother Theresa, whatever their other merits, believes in conversions. To say that my religion is the only true religion is well enough, almost natural – if by it I mean for myself. But to extend the passion and say that what is good for me ought to be good for you too is to be somewhat uneducated. Conversions imply that your religion is not good enough for you, only my religion will do you good. This is being singularly insensitive to the possibilities that life offers. There is no difference between the Pope and Dr. Zakir Naik in their attitude towards other religions. The Pope may come through as somewhat sophisticated and Dr. Naik as coarse, but scratch them and you get the same intolerant type.

 

[.lava]

Par for the course, .lava. You stated that he spread lies about Islam and yet you are not even aware of what he actually said. You condemned him anyway. Based on ignorance of the facts you said he slandered your religion and insulted Islam (which isn't possible, but what the heck, eh).

yes, of course he gives wrong information about Islam and i would not expect him to say anything true about it since as a result he would have to convert. i do remember when i first heard about it and someone, guess it was Kai, shared a link where i could read his entire speech and i did read it until i got bored. i am not willing to have a Pope file on my pc and i show no interest in what he said back then. what i would do is to read and decide a that moment and my decision remains the same. i don't claim to memorize every single thing he says. i think he is not religious figure for me. to me a real religious person would not wear special costumes whenever he goes into public. to me real religious figure wear just like an ordinary man would, unless there was special ceremony, though when he speaks he would say things an ordinary man could not. in other words, he would be special for his minds not for what he wears. to me, regardless which religion they represent, a guy who wear special costumes and say the most ordinary stuff that any human could say (which is normal because they say what some people want to hear, becoming voice of their fears and confirming their hatred and opposition) are the man who try to make others think he is special, he is above them, he is something else. on stage that would do. so i think Pope is not a religious character because he is in politics. like any other known and recognized power on Earth, the power he represents is used to manipulate masses. just like any other politics or leader he is just a front, a face, a name. today he is Pope, a few years later, he'd be gone and some other person would be Pope. so there's no way you can't compare Pope with our Prophet.

We are talking about Muslim sensitivities - so one shouldn't expect much in the way of reason.

oh are we? since when? 2009?

Then you turn around and say that "i don't see him as a religious character". To my thinking, that is a direct insult to hundreds of millions of Catholics. The fact is he is a religious leader whether you, or anyone else, think so.

i already explained what a religious character mean to me personally. and no, i am not really insulting any believers. because Pope is not a Prophet. he is a religious leader and no doubt not all Chrisitans would accept him as the one who should speak to entire world on their behalf. other than that, if there are any believers here that find what i say offending, he should let me know. i would explain myself more to him. Christian or Muslim, i see no real religious leaders on stage lately. perhabs it has never happened in my life time. sure there are true men of God everywhere, but they are not as famous as Pope. sure it would change. some day true men of God would come along in Christian world as well and they would do heir best to unite entire humanity, instead dividing them with hatred and fear like present ones do


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