Ukrainian refugees are being welcomed in the European Union

[Twilight Hue]

Don't take me for a fool. The legality or illegality of migration was never relevant to you.

Bs. I've stated legality many times.

It's the illegals I have issues with.

 

[Nakosis]

Such a lovely way to describe racism and bigotry.

Such an inadequate way to describe the issue.

 

[Nakosis]

Bs. I've stated legality many times.

It's the illegals I have issues with.

So, you would be ok if congress passed laws that opened the border?
Basically making all immigration legal?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So, you would be ok if congress passed laws that opened the border?
Basically making all immigration legal?

Provided the appropriate health and security screenings occurs.

If it's that open from an undesirable country then why not annex the whole lot? Immigration problem solved.

 

[Nakosis]

Provided the appropriate health and security screenings occurs.

If it's that open from an undesirable country then why not annex the whole lot? Immigration problem solved.

Sure, if we could expand American capitalist culture.
If we could do that, there'd be no need to immigrate to the US.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Sure, if we could expand American capitalist culture.
If we could do that, there'd be no need to immigrate to the US.

Yea. Make Ecuador, Guatemala, and Mexico into the United States. Save on travel expenses and increase our GDP. No more walls. Everyone wins.

 

[icehorse]

Far-right politicians often support both of those, including the Polish government--which has banned abortion and widely discriminated against LGBT people.

I think the bottom line is that some societies have values more in keeping with others, and some societies have values less in keeping. There are no perfect fits, but there are shades of gray.

 

[fantome profane]

Such an inadequate way to describe the issue.

Inadequate? Perhaps. But not incorrect.

 

[Nakosis]

Inadequate? Perhaps. But not incorrect.

Ok, well, we'll just have to disagree.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I suspect Europe is more open to those open to Western culture.
Christian/Western culture. Folks are going to be more accepting of people closer to their own ideological views.

Many don't want Hispanic Christians in the US. And blacks are way more Christian than whites are, so it doesn't follow so much here.

 

[Nakosis]

Many don't want Hispanic Christians in the US. And blacks are way more Christian than whites are, so it doesn't follow so much here.

Who doesn't want "Spanish" Christians?
Which Black Christians?

Remember we are talking Europe here.

 

[Estro Felino]

Many don't want Hispanic Christians in the US. And blacks are way more Christian than whites are, so it doesn't follow so much here.

My hypothesis. Just personal.
I think it is a linguistic-cultural issue.
The US are afraid that Hispanics become the majority, so the country will lose its own linguistic and cultural identity.
It might be just irrational fear. That is why Hispanics moving to Spain/Italy do not create such fears.

 

[Sand Dancer]

My hypothesis. Just personal.
I think it is a linguistic-cultural issue.
The US are afraid that Hispanics become the majority, so the country will lose its own linguistic and cultural identity.
It might be just irrational fear. That is why Hispanics moving to Spain/Italy do not create such fears.

I think that's generally the case, but our culture is just kind of weird.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Who doesn't want "Spanish" Christians?
Which Black Christians?

Remember we are talking Europe here.

I was comparing the "European" attitude to the US attitude.

 

[Kooky]

At the end of the day, values matter. In fact, I'd say that shared values are a crucial aspect of how people support each other or don't.

One specific example is that there are aspects of Islamic values that run in stark contrast to western values. So none of this should be surprising.

In what way can you reconcile deporting people back to a warzone based on their political views with a belief that all human beings deserve access to the basic human rights of safety and survival?

I think the bottom line is that some societies have values more in keeping with others, and some societies have values less in keeping. There are no perfect fits, but there are shades of gray.

Do you believe that we should consider individual variations when dealing with individuals, or should we just assume that everyone in a society has the exact same, exactly incompatible, values?

Do a European Neonazi, a European Neoliberal, and a European Communist all have the same values, for example?

 

[Kooky]

My hypothesis. Just personal.
I think it is a linguistic-cultural issue.
The US are afraid that Hispanics become the majority, so the country will lose its own linguistic and cultural identity.
It might be just irrational fear. That is why Hispanics moving to Spain/Italy do not create such fears.

How "different" a migrant population is being perceived shifts and changes with the times, though.

I remember very clearly when people from former Yugoslavia or East Europe were being violently rejected, othered, discriminated and harassed by portions of my country's native population, certain that they be overrun by "those people" as they took their jobs and lazed around in social safety nets.

Now, "those people" are good Christian allies in the fight against Islamization by people who take their jobs and laze around in social safety nets.

In conclusion, racism and xenophobia are neither logical nor consistent, but people sure love to defend them with any argument available.

 

[Kooky]

I suspect Europe is more open to those open to Western culture.
Christian/Western culture. Folks are going to be more accepting of people closer to their own ideological views.

Funny how all the countries of Eastern Europe have become "Western" over the past 30 years, don't you think?

But yes, that's basically what the article I linked to said.

Ukrainian refugees are welcomed with open arms – not so with people fleeing other war-torn countries

 

[Estro Felino]

How "different" a migrant population is being perceived shifts and changes with the times, though.

I remember very clearly when people from former Yugoslavia or East Europe were being violently rejected, othered, discriminated and harassed by portions of my country's native population, certain that they be overrun by "those people" as they took their jobs and lazed around in social safety nets.

Now, "those people" are good Christian allies in the fight against Islamization by people who take their jobs and laze around in social safety nets.

In conclusion, racism and xenophobia are neither logical nor consistent, but people sure love to defend them with any argument available.

As far as I know, Albanians or Serbians have never been perceived as different.
So many succesful artists in my country are either from Albania or from Serbia, Montenegro, etc...
Nobody pointed out they are "foreigners".

 

[Kooky]

As far as I know, Albanians or Serbians have never been considered as different.

Then you don't know very far, because I remember very clearly the slurs that my Italian relatives used back in the day when talking about the immigrants swamping Italy with their foreign culture, taking jobs in restaurants and delivery services such that you couldn't even get proper Italian food any more.

That was, of course, at least two decades ago, before the Muslims became enemy no.1 in every European country.

So many succesful artists in my country are either from Albania or from Serbia, Montenegro, etc...

Many successful artists in the US are Black, therefore racism no longer exists there. Correct?

 

[Estro Felino]

Then you don't know very far, because I remember very clearly the slurs that my Italian relatives used back in the day when talking about the immigrants swamping Italy with their foreign culture, taking jobs in restaurants and delivery services such that you couldn't even get proper Italian food any more.

I have never heard slurs against Europeans from the Balkans or from the East.
If you know these slurs, enlighten me.