Underdeveloped Children Wearing Two Pieces? Why?

[dyanaprajna2011]

This might sound strange, but I find child beauty pagents only a bit less sickenning than child molestation. Maybe it's wrong to come so close to equating the two. But both involve the sexualization of children. And in that respect -- if in no other respect -- they are both highly repulsive to me.

Yeah, that's kind of the feeling I get too.

 

[Dezzie]

Dezzie

One of Your OP questions was probably phrased in error.

You said

"I am curious to know what everyone else says... Why do some parents have their 1-5 year old baby girls wearing two piece bathing suits, when they aren't even developed yet? What is the point?
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Is it still considered "public indecency" even though they are not developed? If it is, why?"
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Your second question implies that the public may consider wearing a two piece bathing suit to be indecent, and I think you meant a one (bottom only) piece.

This is what I meant. Thank you for making that known...

In any case, as has been pointed out, some parents may consider a two-piece to be more fashionable, and maybe the child herself feels the same or doesn't want to appear different than her peers. Then of course, are those who simply feel that a bare female chest is inappropriate (indecent perhaps?) in public regardless of age. Whatever the reason, other than pointing up the prudishness that is no doubt behind some of the reasons, I don't see much to make an issue of.

What if the child is too young to know the difference between what their "friends" are wearing or not? I've seen babies wearing two pieces. It confuses me as to why, since a baby is not developed up top... so why cover the top half seperately from the bottom? As I already mentioned, back in the day when I was little, this wasn't the case. My parents usually just had me in a diaper at the beach and that's it. Whether it be stylish or not... why are we as parents worrying about that kind of style (two pieces) on our babies?

 

[Dezzie]

Perhaps it's the idea that's offensive. People are much more moved by symbolism than reality. An uncovered female chest a violation of American ideas of propriety.

What if that female is a baby 1-2 years old? Would it still be considered a violation of American beliefs and culture? I know how strongly America feels about public nudity. I understand their views because of sexual assault/harrassment, but it seems to me that over time it has developed into something more than that. America has revolved around being clothed for so long that I think it is just natural and that its engraved into their minds. They shun nudity for different reasons that I don't understand.

 

[Dezzie]

in a world where there are sickos who get off on that.

Do you allow your young children to wear bathing suits? Or... because there are sickos out there that may like that too, do you have them wear long sleeved shirts and pants in the pool?

 

[Songbird]

When it comes to my kids, I don't give swimsuits much thought. They're rather an annoying expense and afterthought - far down the list from, say, having fun at the beach! As long my daughter (who's 7) feels comfortable, whatever fits and works is what I go with - usually hand-me-downs from friends, and they're a variety of one or two-pieces. I don't know what I'll think about it as she grows, but for now she couldn't care less about how she looks or what she wears. The girl is a hurricane of horrible fashion. I suspect she partly inherits that from me - on top of truly not caring what she wears, I take care to focus more on other things.

 

[Valjean]

What if that female is a baby 1-2 years old? Would it still be considered a violation of American beliefs and culture? I know how strongly America feels about public nudity. I understand their views because of sexual assault/harrassment, but it seems to me that over time it has developed into something more than that. America has revolved around being clothed for so long that I think it is just natural and that its engraved into their minds. They shun nudity for different reasons that I don't understand.

Well you never know when they're going to have an unexpected growth spurt, especially with all the estrogenic chemicals in cans, plastic bottles, carpets, &c.
Can't be too careful.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It depends on what kind of two piece. There are plenty of very innocent ones, and these ones are no biggie.
However there are some parents that go too far in trying to sex-up there little kids, despite the child not having a sexually matured body, a sexually driven mind, and the child not having a full grasp of what the style of clothing is intended for.

Perhaps it's the idea that's offensive. People are much more moved by symbolism than reality. An uncovered female chest a violation of American ideas of propriety.

I would say it's not just always the idea. What business does a seven year old girl have wearing a crotchless thong? "Easy access" is something she shouldn't be worried about for at least a few more years.
Thong - The Frisky

This might sound strange, but I find child beauty pagents only a bit less sickenning than child molestation. Maybe it's wrong to come so close to equating the two. But both involve the sexualization of children. And in that respect -- if in no other respect -- they are both highly repulsive to me.

That makes two of us. Children are curious about sex and their bodies, but it is very rare for them to think of it any further than that. When it happens, it is often interpreted as a potential sign of abuse. The parents who subject there children to such horrendous environments should be held fully responsible for any and all eating disorders, body dysmorphic disorders, stress and anxiety disorders, and the low self-esteem and feeling used up at the ripe-old age of 25 that are likely to result from such treatment. Actually for young children, subjecting them to beauty pageants and expecting them to keep up a particular shape and dress a certain way should be considered child abuse.

 

[beenie]

This might sound strange, but I find child beauty pagents only a bit less sickenning than child molestation. Maybe it's wrong to come so close to equating the two. But both involve the sexualization of children. And in that respect -- if in no other respect -- they are both highly repulsive to me.

I agree. I'm actually insulted when people tell my daughters (all six of them) should be in pageants. Uhhh no way in hell.

Do you allow your young children to wear bathing suits? Or... because there are sickos out there that may like that too, do you have them wear long sleeved shirts and pants in the pool?

Where on earth did you get this from what I said? My daughters wear what makes them comfy in the pool. They wear rash guard shirts and shorts...and lots of sunscreen. We don't like skin cancer. Any other assumptions your like to share?

 

[Christina83]

Interesting thread
I am of the opinion that dressed or undressed, sexy or just pretty, young or old, anyone can become subject of the attentions of a pervert (of course the young ones need more protection).
However I think if something happens to my child I am the one that's going to cry, so if I feel the need to dress my child from top to toe I will do it! I will pick them up from school, teach them to to accept lifts from strangers, and will not allow them to go to the public toilet alone.
Better be safe than sorry!

 

[Me Myself]

This might sound strange, but I find child beauty pagents only a bit less sickenning than child molestation. Maybe it's wrong to come so close to equating the two. But both involve the sexualization of children. And in that respect -- if in no other respect -- they are both highly repulsive to me.

Yeah, that's kind of the feeling I get too.

I agree. I'm actually insulted when people tell my daughters (all six of them) should be in pageants. Uhhh no way in hell.

I too agree, they are very close in my eyes. It´s sickening.

 

[Songbird]

Where on earth did you get this from what I said? My daughters wear what makes them comfy in the pool. They wear rash guard shirts and shorts...and lots of sunscreen. We don't like skin cancer. Any other assumptions your like to share?

Oh, I forgot about rashguards! We're not in swimming season yet here up nort, so I wasn't thinking about sunburn. But yah - all my kids wear rashguards so I don't have to slather them up as much. As you know, it takes a good 20 minutes to get multiple kids adequately lotioned before swimming! It's so much easier to throw those on. We also have critters in our lakes, varying from lake to lake, and rashguards protect from - well - rashes! due to several lake-borne bugs.

 

[Dezzie]

Where on earth did you get this from what I said? My daughters wear what makes them comfy in the pool. They wear rash guard shirts and shorts...and lots of sunscreen. We don't like skin cancer. Any other assumptions your like to share?

Wasn't trying to offend... nor was I assuming anything. It was just a question. I don't know why you thought there were any assumptions. I was just stating that even if children wear bathing suits, they are still subjected to sickos... even if they are fully clothed. I was just curious about what your children wore in the pool, so I could create a possible debate.

I personally think it's great that you have your kids wear rash guard protection. It is very smart indeed! I just don't think your "there are sickos who get off on that" comment makes a proper argument… there are plenty of sickos out there that like children that are even clothed.

Well you never know when they're going to have an unexpected growth spurt, especially with all the estrogenic chemicals in cans, plastic bottles, carpets, &c.
Can't be too careful.

Very true indeed!

 

[Dezzie]

Exactly. I don't generally try to be mean, and especially here, but there are people out there who find that, you know. I can't even say it. But we have another problem in the States, and I think the two are related in some way, and that is parents who put their little girls in beauty pageants. I feel the same way about a little girl in a two piece as I do about little girls in beauty pageants: I don't mean to offend anyone by saying this, but as a father of a 6 year old girl, this is how I feel, and I feel strongly about it: their parents are idiots. I don't see why fashion should be more important in children than safety. It's preposterous. There's no excuse for it.

I completely agree about the beauty pageants. IMO I find them even more disturbing when parents have their kids wear two-piece bathing suits for the pageants.

 

[Falvlun]

I don't think dressing baby girls in two pieces is out of modesty. I would think the vast majority of Americans even wouldn't blink an eye at a topless baby.

Parents are buying the bikini swimsuits for their baby girls because it's considered cute and darling.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I say let kids be kids and each parent can decide what is right or wrong for their children. I too despise kiddy pagents. It only gets worse people. My daughter had her friend vacation with us when they where 12 or 13 and the girl said she wanted fish net stockings. There where a group of adults and children around at the time and I explained to her I found them real sexy. I asked her if she would like for me to look at her in that way? She answered, ewwww no I would not. I told her I felt the same way and maybe she might want to wait on getting a pair.

 

[beenie]

Wasn't trying to offend... nor was I assuming anything. It was just a question. I don't know why you thought there were any assumptions. I was just stating that even if children wear bathing suits, they are still subjected to sickos... even if they are fully clothed. I was just curious about what your children wore in the pool, so I could create a possible debate.

My apologies; tone is often difficult to discern on the internet.

I personally think it's great that you have your kids wear rash guard protection. It is very smart indeed! I just don't think your "there are sickos who get off on that" comment makes a proper argument… there are plenty of sickos out there that like children that are even clothed.

Agreed. Any adult who is attracted to little girls, clothed or not, is a sicko.

 

[Dezzie]

and I explained to her I found them real sexy. I asked her if she would like for me to look at her in that way? She answered, ewwww no I would not. I told her I felt the same way and maybe she might want to wait on getting a pair.

Well... that is very interesting! LOL If anyone said that to me when I was younger, I'd be really creeped out! I'm assuming that's what you were going for?

 

[Sunstone]

I say let kids be kids and each parent can decide what is right or wrong for their children. I too despise kiddy pagents. It only gets worse people. My daughter had her friend vacation with us when they where 12 or 13 and the girl said she wanted fish net stockings. There where a group of adults and children around at the time and I explained to her I found them real sexy. I asked her if she would like for me to look at her in that way? She answered, ewwww no I would not. I told her I felt the same way and maybe she might want to wait on getting a pair.

Oddly enough, I might have handled that situation the same way, Rick. Creeping out kids often works when nothing else will.

 

[Reverend Rick]

If I had the conversation in private, it would have been inappropriate, but there was a good sized group of people all talking. Why do children want to grow up so fast? My eight year old neice wants to go to an R rated movie, her Mom and Dad will not let that happen thank God.

 

[Skwim]

Oddly enough, I might have handled that situation the same way, Rick. Creeping out kids often works when nothing else will.

Well, Reverend Rick finding fish net stockings on a 12-13 year-old real sexy certainly creeped me out.