"United States should 'cease expressing irresponsible opinions'"

[Polymath257]

Hong Kong is a part of China, and the people there should stop opposing the government. It will not benefit them.
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Well, that is for them to determine, I think. China should become less autocratic and allow for more freedom of speech and of the press. I don't think it is bad to protest to gain those freedoms, nor for us to support such protests and goals.

I do think they risk a re-enactment of the Tianamen Square protests 30 years ago. And that would be very unfortunate.

 

[leov]

That's reducing most of reality to a caricature.
Events happen by a vast panoply of players,
including geography, history, religion, human
nature, politics, personalities, economics,
technology, media etc..
If petrodollars ruled the world there would be
no Telsla, for instance.

There are some nations controlled by the
holy petrodollar - these would include Saudi
Arabia, the gulf states and Russia. I wouldn't
put America into that equation as oil plays but
a small part in its vast economy - and domestic
supplies (or the tech to reach them) have them
covered pretty well.

Petrodollar and world wide protection of US most profitable income that allowed US to buy real goods in exchange for toilet paper, protecting petrodollar lead to havoc in the world and US, endless war, moving US economy abroad, and US unable to reverse the pross . Only oil speculations and political manipulations to maintain higher oil prices keeps US afloat.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, that is for them to determine, I think. China should become less autocratic and allow for more freedom of speech and of the press. I don't think it is bad to protest to gain those freedoms, nor for us to support such protests and goals.

I do think they risk a re-enactment of the Tianamen Square protests 30 years ago. And that would be very unfortunate.

China also will change when the time comes. What the Hong Kong people are doing is not correct, vandalizing and arson. China can put it down in just two days, and the world will just keep pontificating. What freedoms a country will give is its prerogative. There is no 'objective classification', it depends on their situation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hong Kong is a part of China, and the people there should stop opposing the government. It will not benefit them.
American pronouncements will be better, saner, if Trump does not get re-elected; otherwise they will keep making a wall, a great wall, in Colorado; and wipe Turkey off the map.
And how do US protests matter? Sovereign countries will do what they want.

The thing is there was an agreement to maintain automity when the UK handed control of Hong Kong over to China.

China is breaking that agreement.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Chinese officials consider the Joint Declaration "now void and only covered the period from the signing in 1984 until the handover in 1997."
"Johnson restated Britain's commitment to Hong Kong is enshrined in the "treaty" that was "just as strong today" as it was 20 years ago. However, Chinese officials have warned against foreign interference and have accused British officials of harboring a colonial mindset."
Nice, So what is Boris Johnson or any other British Prime Minister (or any US President) is going to do about it? China and Pakistan may give the bomb to Iran. Countries have ways to strike back.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, this mess and that mess, all things considered Pence is a hypocrite who has and fights to draw the line of freedom where his religion tells him to, meaning he really doesn't actually respect it.

 

[Polymath257]

China also will change when the time comes. What the Hong Kong people are doing is not correct, vandalizing and arson. China can put it down in just two days, and the world will just keep pontificating. What freedoms a country will give is its prerogative. There is no 'objective classification', it depends on their situation.

I will agree, the initially very appropriate protests have turned sour. Vandalism and arson should not be the method.

 

[columbus]

I will agree, the initially very appropriate protests have turned sour. Vandalism and arson should not be the method.

Maybe if the pro-democracy movement had gotten more support from "the world's policeman" it wouldn't have come to this.

The USA could have slapped sanctions on the Chinese government, the way we did Iranian government. The Chinese are demonstrably breaking agreements with Hong Kong and Great Britain.

As much as I despise Pence, at least he's pretending to care about representative government. Can't say that for the rest of the Trump administration, as far as I know.
But the proof is in the pudding. Will Pence actually do anything? Like the way the USA rescued Kuwait a few years back.
It's not like Kuwait was any kind of democracy.
Tom

 

[Milton Platt]

Beijing slam Mike Pence for his 'arrogance' after he backed Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters | Daily Mail Online



The Chinese government isn't happy with Mike Pence's comments on the NBA, Nike, and China.



I wonder why they would be so surprised that US politicians are supporting the protesters. It's not like there's been that much "mutual trust" between the US and China - not really.

It's certainly not like it was during the Cold War, but US politicians would still be compelled to support protesters in China. If they like, the Chinese government is perfectly free to voice support for protesters in the US.

But as far as the US "ceasing to express irresponsible opinions," the US is like a person, who, if you tell him to shut up, he'll just keep talking more.

Pence is a person. The United States is not a person. And not everyone agrees with everything Pence coughs up.

 

[PruePhillip]

Petrodollar and world wide protection of US most profitable income that allowed US to buy real goods in exchange for toilet paper, protecting petrodollar lead to havoc in the world and US, endless war, moving US economy abroad, and US unable to reverse the pross . Only oil speculations and political manipulations to maintain higher oil prices keeps US afloat.

Odd. When America imported most of its oil, any sudden spike in prices
sent the nation into recession.
The main "political manipulations" occur mostly between Russia and the
Saudis.