Universal Basic Income to be tried in Stockton Ca

[Revoltingest]

Welfare by any other name is still welfare. Income is money gained through work or investments.

Welfare in some form is inevitable.
(I base this on observation of how all countries evolve.)
So the trick is to do it in the best way possible.
This means incentivizing productivity, while disincentivizing
social ills, eg, sloth, addiction, profligacy, crime, law school.

 

[bobhikes]

Welfare by any other name is still welfare. Income is money gained through work or investments.

And money is owned and printed by the government backed by nothing but wishful thinking so what's your point.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

And money is owned and printed by the government backed by nothing but wishful thinking so what's your point.

I'm a stickler for the proper use of words. Welfare is not income.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Welfare in some form is inevitable.
(I base this on observation of how all countries evolve.)
So the trick is to do it in the best way possible.
This means incentivizing productivity, while disincentivizing
social ills, eg, sloth, addiction, profligacy, crime, law school.

Or changing the meaning of words. To what end?

 

[bobhikes]

I'm a stickler for the proper use of words. Welfare is not income.

What is inheritance then? What is gambling winnings then? What is found money then? There's a lot of ways to get money other than working or finance is everything else welfare?

 

[Jumi]

Or changing the meaning of words. To what end?

Basic income is no questions asked. You can call it welfare, but for most other welfare you have to bend your knees, waste your time in front of bureaucratic system built to employ bureaucrats, ex-politicians or friends of politicians.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Basic income is no questions asked. You can call it welfare, but for most other welfare you have to bend your knees, waste your time in front of bureaucratic system built to employ bureaucrats, ex-politicians or friends of politicians.

By definition it's not income.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

What is inheritance then? What is gambling winnings then? What is found money then? There's a lot of ways to get money other than working or finance is everything else welfare?

Nice analogies that have nothing to do with redefining welfare as income.

 

[Revoltingest]

Or changing the meaning of words. To what end?

What words?

 

[columbus]

By definition it's not income.

That doesn't seem like a very useful definition to me. Sounds more like a judgment.
There are people out there with an income largely, or entirely, what I consider welfare. But I wouldn't say that they don't have income.
Tom

 

[sandy whitelinger]

What words?

Changing the definition of income to include welfare.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That doesn't seem like a very useful definition to me. Sounds more like a judgment.
There are people out there with an income largely, or entirely, what I consider welfare. But I wouldn't say that they don't have income.
Tom

Useful or not, that is how Merriam Webster defines income. I do not like mushy meanings outside of the definitions. It make communication hopeless.

You made a judgement I think. I only followed the definition of income.

 

[bobhikes]

Nice analogies that have nothing to do with redefining welfare as income.

I am not trying I am trying to find out what welfare means to you vs, inheritance, income, grants, The Alaskan permanent fund disbursement (A check given to every Alaskan yearly instead of yearly taxes).

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That doesn't seem like a very useful definition to me. Sounds more like a judgment.
There are people out there with an income largely, or entirely, what I consider welfare. But I wouldn't say that they don't have income.
Tom

Also, just because you have money in your pocket, that does not make it income.

 

[Revoltingest]

Changing the definition of income to include welfare.

Well, it is a form of income.
Ref....
the definition of income

noun
1. the monetary payment received for goods or services, or from other sources, as rents or investments.
2. something that comes in as an addition or increase, especially by chance.

As you can see, welfare & its ilk would be "other sources".

 

[columbus]

Useful or not, that is how Merriam Webster defines income. I do not like mushy meanings outside of the definitions. It make communication hopeless.

You made a judgement I think. I only followed the definition of income.

I am not big on Scripture. Not even when it's the dictionary or Constitution. A "definition" that makes the cash influx into a home budget something other than income is useless.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Also, just because you have money in your pocket, that does not make it income.

Cash in your pocket is certainly not income. That's savings. It's the influx of cash into your pocket that's income.
Tom

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Cash in your pocket is certainly not income. That's savings. It's the influx of cash into your pocket that's income.
Tom

Not by definition.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I am not big on Scripture. Not even when it's the dictionary or Constitution. A "definition" that makes the cash influx into a home budget something other than income is useless.
Tom

So is a conversation using words with mercurial definitions.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I am not trying I am trying to find out what welfare means to you vs, inheritance, income, grants, The Alaskan permanent fund disbursement (A check given to every Alaskan yearly instead of yearly taxes).

Look them up in the dictionary. That's what those words mean to me.