jenni_boo22
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sure iguess so... to be honest, i dont know much about him or even politics... but i want healthcare for my daughter thats all!!
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Thank you for an honest answer. Have some frubals my dear.sure iguess so... to be honest, i dont know much about him or even politics... but i want healthcare for my daughter thats all!!
Reading is fundamental. The Canadian I am talking about is an orthopedic surgeon.
haha! im always honest... but what are frubals? is that good or bad!?
haha! im always honest... but what are frubals? is that good or bad!?
Apparently, obfuscation is fundamental as well.
I won't bother to dig it up, but you made the claim (repeatedly) that you have seen Canadians coming to the US for health care.
Now, personally, I don't know of any Canadians that are coming to Louisville for their health care (although it is quite possible that they do), but I haven't seen any influx of Canadian money into the area.
Louisville has three VERY large hospitals, that specialize in spine, heart, and maternal issues. Knowing what I know about Berea, I would be surprised to find that they are flocking into your area.
I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic or what you're saying at all. Why does it matter that U.S. care is private vs. public? Does that make the dollars smaller? Why are you dividing the GDP by the population? What does GDP have to do with it? How is the U.S. private system better than the UK public?
I can certainly agree that insurance companies are a serious problem when it comes to health care costs. I also never said capitalism was the best system, i just said it was the best for innovation. I advocate a system that provides health coverage for everyone but without raising taxes on the already embattled middle class. That will mean laws will have to be passed that control insurance companies' practices better, with greater oversight, but i dont advocate making the govt the sole means of paying for all health care.
Of course, because everyone there gets the same basic coverage for everything. But if you need an operation it may take months or years to get in. Money talks, so if you can pay for the service you get the treatment, otherwise you take what is there.
Basically its a gamble you wont need something. Insurance just helps offset that, but there really is no system of medical coverage that is "free"--someone has to pay for it somewhere.
He is not getting paid what he thinks he deserves, but his peers might be satisfied with their plight.I said a doctor came to Kentucky from Quebec because he was not being paid what he was worth.
... and they get to keep their teeth!... where they can get paid like hockey players for doing honest work.
"Capitalism is the best for innovation"? Can you give me some data to back that statement up? I can think of many things that are good for innovation - necessity, ingenuity, creativity, imagination, but I can't for the life of me make any connection between how greed and a lust for self-advancement alone could contribute to useful innovation.
No, it does not take "months or years" to get in. Even the pro-free-market Canadian propagandists I quoted only claim there are wait times of 18 weeks for medically non-essential surgery or therapeutic treatment. For life-saving surgery you need there is no wait time, unless you need somebody's organs or something.
Nobody is saying it's "free". (Nice straw man). We all pay - less than half of what you all pay. Less even than you all pay in taxes for your limited care that lets people die for lack of insurance. We all pay, and it is free at the point of use because the bill goes to the government - not to us.
What people with additional private health care get for their money is not a completely different standard of care or shorter wait times, but nice little perks like free ambulance rides (you might get dinged a couple hundred bucks otherwise), private hospital rooms (you can pay for these as well) and coverage for prescription drugs, which most Canadians have to pay for.
But this is anecdotal evidence at best and at worst it might simply be a lie since I only have your word to go on that its true. I couldn't find anything in Google to back up the story. Perhaps you could do better?Heres an example. A scientist in France (true story) invents a device which assists amputees drive a car. She spends 10 years waiting for the French govt to approve her designs, even though she has already done extensive testing, they want to be sure there is no problem with it. After a lengthy meeting with the french govt, there is still no decision. So, she goes to the US, shows her invention, after 6 months of testing, a prototype is made and a full, operating device is ready for production in less than a year. Meanwhile the French govt can only vote to name a street after her.
Lolz! Reducing the driving force of human innovation down to a simple desire for montary profit is ridiculous.The reason capitalism is better for innovation is there is profit motive. You may call it greed, but without profit motive there simply is no movtive to create anything new.
This is empty political rhetoric. If it were true Cuba's healthcare would not develop solutions for the nation's health problems. It does. Its brilliant. Incidentally the U.S. had to break its embargo on Cuba in order to adopt the meningitis B vacine Cuban medical scientists had developed in the 1980s. It took the U.S. almost two decades for them to overcome their own governmental regulation in order to do so.Socialist/communistic systems (i.e. anti-capitalist systems) tend to be less innovative, due to endless governmental regulation, where review after review after review, nobody can decide whether the invention will actually help anyone--when capitalism has a direct means to decide whether a new invention will be useful--its called "The Free Market". If nobody buys it, nobody wants it.
Lolz. No, you don't be silly...no thats a fallacy, nobody dies for lack of coverage. dont be silly.
I hope so. The U.S. economy is worrying me of late.I will admit the US has to overhaul its Medicare, and VFW, and other aspects of its socialized care. We have the money to do so.
...I will admit the US has to overhaul its Medicare, and VFW, and other aspects of its socialized care. We have the money to do so.
Alceste -
I just wanted to tell you that I think you are doing an excellent job of rebutting the myths that are being put forth in this thread.
Outstanding.
Well, thanks. I don't think I can do much more though. It's impossible to debate against vague generalizations, one-off anecdotes, editorials from free market propagandists and anti-socialist paranoia, which is all I am seeing by way of conflicting opinions. Apart from Rick, who is apparently a millionaire and receives the privileged care that entails (is it as good as the care lazy snowboarders in Canada get for nothing? Who knows!!) I haven't seen anyone here with a proper, fact-based argument against universal health coverage. (And Rick's fact based argument is only that he likes to think he is receiving superior health care because he is wealthy.)
So I think I have done all I can here! I don't know why I should be more concerned with the atrocities of American health care than Americans are. I can only say, for those of you who can't get coverage for your kids, it's not that hard to move to Canada - where they will be covered from day 1. Now is a good time. Your country is bankrupt and there is a major skills shortage in Canada due to our economic growth, especially in Alberta.
The only downside is that to immigrate to Canada I believe you need a medical check!
But this is anecdotal evidence at best and at worst it might simply be a lie since I only have your word to go on that its true. I couldn't find anything in Google to back up the story. Perhaps you could do better?
Lolz! Reducing the driving force of human innovation down to a simple desire for montary profit is ridiculous.
This is empty political rhetoric. If it were true Cuba's healthcare would not develop solutions for the nation's health problems. It does. Its brilliant. Incidentally the U.S. had to break its embargo on Cuba in order to adopt the meningitis B vacine Cuban medical scientists had developed in the 1980s. It took the U.S. almost two decades for them to overcome their own governmental regulation in order to do so.
I hope so. The U.S. economy is worrying me of late.