Unrelenting quoting of scripture.

[stvdv]

I see posts that are just scripture, with very little or no personal comment attached. Of what value is this in an interfaith discussion.if any? If it's two people from different faiths, it's like exchanging two books.

Personally, I rarely, if ever read it.

Do you read it?

Interfaith discussion: When using verses from your scriptures to prove things sounds like proselytizing to me. It's the best way to convert the other into anti-your religion IMO.
It does have 1 value. Immediately I know that there will be monologue and no communication. So I do not read it. Sometimes mentioning RF rule 8 can wake them up quick

I personally do not believe that you can use scripture to prove anything on "interfaith discussion". Even on "interfaith debate" quoting verses to prove things is silly IMHO
To share a verse because you love the verse is different [or when someone asks for it]. When you use it to prove something it makes no sense to me.

 

[Vinayaka]

Interfaith discussion: When using verses from your scriptures to prove things sounds like proselytizing to me. It's the best way to convert the other into anti-your religion IMO.

Ahhh, yes, the irony. Attempts to proselytize have exactly the opposite effect of what is intended. I love it. The more you stretch things, lie, distort, in favour of your 'truth' the more people run. Maybe it really is God's way after all.

I'm reminded of Twain's quote ... "Better to say silent and have people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

 

[exchemist]

Ahhh, yes, the irony. Attempts to proselytize have exactly the opposite effect of what is intended. I love it. The more you stretch things, lie, distort, in favour of your 'truth' the more people run. Maybe it really is God's way after all.

I'm reminded of Twain's quote ... "Better to say silent and have people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Aside from any distortions, surely the logical point is that you can't demonstrate the truth of a source by relying just on the source itself. You need to compare it with something independent in order to corroborate it.

When people have come to a faith by reading or hearing its scripture, it is because something in them corroborates it, for them personally. The proselytiser needs to be very careful not to push, or that something will not do what he wants it to.

 

[stvdv]

Aside from any distortions, surely the logical point is that you can't demonstrate the truth of a source by relying just on the source itself. You need to compare it with something independent in order to corroborate it.

When people have come to a faith by reading or hearing its scripture, it is because something in them corroborates it, for them personally. The proselytiser needs to be very careful not to push, or that something will not do what he wants it to.

Hence the wise declare "Actions speak louder than Words".

 

[Jedster]

Hence the wise declare "Actions speak louder than Words".

Indeed so.
Reminds me of the old story about tasting a mango, as opposed to hearing about it.

 

[stvdv]

Maybe it really is God's way after all.
I'm reminded of Twain's quote ... "Better to say silent and have people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

For many years evangelizing was successful because fear of Hell kept people in the Church.
Fortunately the lies used by the Church came back to them, so fear of Hell slowly disappears
When fear of Hell is gone, I think that a big shift might happen in the Church/Christianity

With the internet it gets more difficult to fool people into believing Hell exists (after you die)

 

[exchemist]

For many years evangelizing was successful because fear of Hell kept people in the Church.
Fortunately the lies used by the Church came back to them, so fear of Hell slowly disappears
When fear of Hell is gone, I think that a big shift might happen in the Church/Christianity

With the internet it gets more difficult to fool people into believing Hell exists (after you die)

But easier, apparently, into fooling them to believe in crystals and "dianetics". I expect the reason is that both of these encourage consumerism, while fear of Hell does not.

 

[stvdv]

But easier, apparently, into fooling them to believe in crystals and "dianetics". I expect the reason is that both of these encourage consumerism, while fear of Hell does not.

As the proverb goes "fear is a bad counselor".

 

[exchemist]

As the proverb goes "fear is a bad counselor".

I think we need to add a modern rider, along the lines of, "So is the internet".

 

[stvdv]

I think we need to add a modern rider, along the lines of, "So is the internet".

All the fake news makes people think for themselves more; learn to use their discrimination. That is a good thing. They start searching and checking Bible verses.

 

[exchemist]

Being on the internet people are fooled continuously. So they learn discrimination and think for themselves. That is a good thing. They start searching and checking verses.

Evidence?

What I see from the direction of current politics is the opposite: people tend to search out sources that reinforce pre-existing beliefs. This applies especially to social media, due to the self-selecting nature of the groups into like-minded cliques.

 

[stvdv]

Evidence?

What I see from the direction of current politics is the opposite: people tend to search out sources that reinforce pre-existing beliefs. This applies especially to social media, due to the self-selecting nature of the groups into like-minded cliques.

It will take time. 2 billion are Christian, 1.5 billion are Muslims. So 50% of the world is used to be spoon fed. May take a generation or 2 to undo this for the majority.
But it's good that we have different views. Always good to see things from different perspective. But then again I am not a Christian who believes Jesus is the only way.
Someone who is hardwired in "My way is the highway" might have a hard time to see the positive in this diversity. This I understand.

Since I have been on RF I became much more open, less judgmental. So for me it has been good to see diversity

 

[Vinayaka]

When people have come to a faith by reading or hearing its scripture, it is because something in them corroborates it, for them personally. The proselytiser needs to be very careful not to push, or that something will not do what he wants it to.

That may be true when they've come to a faith, but if they're born in the faith. it may not be. Scripture isn't always the only way to come to a faith either. You've heard of friendship evangelism. People can pretend to have a faith JUST to have friends.

 

[exchemist]

That may be true when they've come to a faith, but if they're born in the faith. it may not be. Scripture isn't always the only way to come to a faith either. You've heard of friendship evangelism. People can pretend to have a faith JUST to have friends.

That is precisely why I said "When people have come to a faith by......". We were speaking of the effects of quoting scripture.

I quite agree: most people only treat scripture as an occasional reference.

 

[Vinayaka]

That is precisely why I said "When people have come to a faith by......". We were speaking of the effects of quoting scripture.

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That's what I though you meant, Thanks.

 

[Agent]

There is a famine of the word. They just want to tell nice stories and the doctrines and commandments of men.
I found out what MAD is: Mutual Assurance Destruction
and Grosnick Marowbe didn't like it.
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. 2 tim 4:2

 

[BilliardsBall]

It iw but its not all word for word. It's Gods conclusion not yours.

That's why faith can't be half and half. Take out righteous works and faith means nothing (among other verses I've already quotes throughout the whole Bible)

The Bible never says "faith can't be half and half." It does say, "Salvation comes via faith and not via works."

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The Bible never says "faith can't be half and half." It does say, "Salvation comes via faith and not via works."

Yes. I am saying you are dividing faith when you split gods righteous works through you, from faith.

Like I said, faith is an action. It's god working through you. James says this repeated. The gospels doesn't need to always mention the word works to support James views.

If you don't see god working through you as part of that gift (using it) thats on your. Fundamentists aren't the majority nor so they overrule biblical interpretation.

 

[exchemist]

The Bible never says "faith can't be half and half." It does say, "Salvation comes via faith and not via works."

Except for James 2:14 onwards, of course, which says the contrary.

 

[stvdv]

The Bible never says "faith can't be half and half." It does say, "Salvation comes via faith and not via works."

Except for James 2:14 onwards, of course, which says the contrary.

Thanks. This is a good example why "unrelenting quoting of scripture" is not helpful. Humans don't know how Salvation comes, hence it's called believe.