US 2016 Presidental Canidates

[Taylor Seraphim]

Who will you vote for in the US 2016 presidential race and why?

 

[Sunstone]

Bernie Sanders. Why? Basically, I see him as a long shot, but the best chance we have of doing something about wealth inequality -- which I fear threatens so many things, but especially our freedoms and liberties.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Bernie Sanders. Why? Basically, I see him as a long shot, but the best chance we have of doing something about wealth inequality -- which I fear threatens so many things, but especially our freedoms and liberties.

I feel like forcing a change in the wealth will be a violation of rights.

 

[Sunstone]

I feel like forcing a change in the wealth will be a violation of rights.

Good point! I myself think there is always at least some risk that doing so can become an instrument to destroy people. But I also believe that we live at a time when wealth inequality is such it has become a genuine threat to representative government, and ultimately, freedoms and liberties. What many people do not see is just how politically powerful extremely wealthy people are when compared to the rest of us. Furthermore, they do not notice the link between an elite's disproportionate power and its potential to destroy democracy. Perhaps that is because they don't know their Plutarch, who pointed out the link 2000 years ago when he observed that no republic has for long survived a great disparity between its richest and poorest citizens.

But it could also be because they don't know much industry consolidation -- which provides a perfect parallel to the consolidation of political power in the hands of fewer and fewer people. In both industries and political arenas, there is an almost inexorable movement over time towards fewer and fewer players. For instance, in the political arena, fewer and fewer people have the means to influence the outcomes of elections, legislation, regulation, etc. We move from a democracy to an oligarchy, to a dictatorship.

All the while this is going on, naive people see only that each man and woman still has only one vote. LOL!

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Good point! I myself think there is always at least some risk that doing so can become an instrument to destroy people. But I also believe that we live at a time when wealth inequality is such it has become a genuine threat to representative government, and ultimately, freedoms and liberties. What many people do not see is just how politically powerful extremely wealthy people are when compared to the rest of us. Furthermore, they do not notice the link between an elite's disproportionate power and its potential to destroy democracy. Perhaps that is because they don't know their Plutarch, who pointed out the link 2000 years ago when he observed that no republic has for long survived a great disparity between its richest and poorest citizens.

But it could also be because they don't know much industry consolidation -- which provides a perfect parallel to the consolidation of political power in the hands of fewer and fewer people. In both industries and political arenas, there is an almost inexorable movement over time towards fewer and fewer players. For instance, in the political arena, fewer and fewer people have the means to influence the outcomes of elections, legislation, regulation, etc. We move from a democracy to an oligarchy, to a dictatorship.

All the while this is going on, naive people see only that each man and woman still has only one vote. LOL!

I think that government interference has allowed these companies to influence policy and removing government interference will topple these companies and help have a true free market.

 

[Buttercup]

Who will you vote for in the US 2016 presidential race and why?

I'm voting for Bernie, if he wins the nomination. He's had a long, sustained and stable voting record and does what he says he's going to do. He's dependable, seems honest and is passionately against establishment politics which has contributed greatly to the fall of the middle class along with some corporation monopolies. He seems stubborn enough to pound that issue into the ground if he becomes president.

If he doesn't win the Democratic nomination, I will reluctantly vote for Hillary because I abhor the platforms of the current Republican candidates.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I'm voting for Bernie, if he wins the nomination. He's had a long, sustained and stable voting record and does what he says he's going to do. He's dependable, seems honest and is passionately against establishment politics which has contributed greatly to the fall of the middle class along with some corporation monopolies. He seems stubborn enough to pound that issue into the ground if he becomes president.

If he doesn't win the Democratic nomination, I will reluctantly vote for Hillary because I abhor the platforms of the current Republican candidates.

Have you not considered a third party candidate?

 

[Buttercup]

Not this time around although I like Jill Stein. Too much work to do to vote for her, though. She has no chance.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Not this time around although I like Jill Stein. Too much work to do to vote for her, though. She has no chance.

This attitude is why third parties never will.

What do you think of Gary Jhonson?

 

[Sunstone]

I think that government interference has allowed these companies to influence policy and removing government interference will topple these companies and help have a true free market.

I disagree. Strongly. In fact, I think deregulation, tax-cutting on the wealthy, etc since the 1980s have been primary factors in the redistribution of wealth up the economic ladder -- from the middle class to the billionaires. And I furthermore think Thomas Piketty is spot on when he points out that an economic analysis of the past 250 years shows beyond reasonable doubt that the rate of capital return in developed countries is persistently greater than the rate of economic growth, and that this will cause wealth inequality to increase in the future.

Bottom line for me: We can have great wealth inequality or we can have representative government, but not both.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I disagree. Strongly. In fact, I think deregulation, tax-cutting on the wealthy, etc since the 1980s have been primary factors in the redistribution of wealth up the economic ladder -- from the middle class to the billionaires. And I furthermore think Thomas Piketty is spot on when he points out that an economic analysis of the past 250 years shows beyond reasonable doubt that the rate of capital return in developed countries is persistently greater than the rate of economic growth, and that this will cause wealth inequality to increase in the future.

Bottom line for me: We can have great wealth inequality or we can have representative government, but not both.

Those where not what I was talking about, I am referring to government bail outs as well as making it hard on small businesses.

 

[Buttercup]

This attitude is why third parties never will.

I understand. However, I feel this group of Republicans is so dangerous to our country's health regarding social issues, economical stability and potential moral decay and back sliding civil rights that I have to stick to the Dems this time around.

What do you think of Gary Jhonson?

I hate to admit it and sound so uninformed, but I have just heard of him today. Throw a tomato, I don't blame you.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Who will you vote for in the US 2016 presidential race and why?

Bernie, Trump and Cruz are best for foreign policy. As a Brit that's probably my top concern. I don't want WW3 shooting down Russian planes thanks but no thanks Hillary, Jeb and Chris Christie you madmen.

Cruz and Trump have said some out-there stuff on foreign policy, Cruz with his 'carpet bombing' rhetoric, but they both fundamentally have selfish foreign policies, they do things in the national security interest of the USA, which is how things should be done, not ideological crusades to spread freedom and democracy.

Aside from that, I am just generally fascinated by people like Trump and Cruz and the support they get. In a land of factory-produced squeaky clean career politicians here in the UK, it's fun to watch what's happening the other side of the pond.

 

[Sunstone]

Just out of curiosity, Taylor, have you any formal studies in political science or macro-economics? Of course, it's ok if you haven't. I'm just curious.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Just out of curiosity, Taylor, have you any formal studies in political science or macro-economics? Of course, it's ok if you haven't. I'm just curious.

No but I like to study and learn about them.

 

[Sunstone]

No but I like to study and learn about them.

I was lucky to take several courses in those two subjects while I was in college -- practically a minor in each. I don't think I could take so many courses today because the cost of tuition has soared. The thing is, that was 35 years ago, and I have forgotten so much now!

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

With me out of the democrat I would vote for Bernie and out of the republicans I would vote Rand Paul.

 

[Revoltingest]

Gary Johnson, he's my guy!
Not the rest, you wonder why?
For liberties, civil
No pandering drivel
He won't win, but still I'll try.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Gary Johnson, he's my guy!
Not the rest, you wonder why?
For liberties, civil
No pandering drivel
He won't win, but still I'll try.

Ill ask for a high five but I wont get the government to make you.

 

[ShivaFan]

Here is the state of the election as of today.

The Ted Cruz campaign is in trouble.

In that line of thought, what I am concerned about is that, as reality sinks in as far as the Cruz campaign is concerned, there is an element that may do some bizaare... I don't know, what word for it? Bizaare "thing"?

I am telling you, this election is in fact 1968. Anything can happen any moment, including the bizaare. After all, just like 1968, it is the Year of the Fire Monkey and The Metals. Well, maybe that is irrelevant, but fun to mention.

I was VERY hesitant to post this, since not all Cruz supporters are like this one, and I don't want to lose any reasonable Cruz votes who may later switch to Trump, but the fact of the matter is these type of Cruzers as indictive of below have more than just a little bit of a choke hold in the upper echelons of the actual "leadership" and operatives of the Cruz "movement".

Here is one (below), a declared Cruz supporter who is getting marching orders from some church that is not too far removed from a cult as Carson is attacked as not a "true conservative" because Carson does not belong to the same Christian sect as this Cruz supporter, the same Cruz supporter who thinks some verse in the English King James Version of the Bible that uses the word "trump" (trumpet, but is actually a reference to a type of drummers banging on big loud drums and not trumpets in Greek) is a reference to Donald Trump in an "end times" scenario where the evil Trump who is declared by these nutjobs as the secret operative of Hillary is projected as raising the evil from "the abyss". Carson, who may also get some evangelical votes instead of Cruz, is then attacked.

The Cruz supporter, totally off topic from a tax policy discussion goes into the following:

"... his (Carson's) stance on ordained women entering into the ministry when the Bible is pretty clear with all of the writings of the prophets of God that God doesn't want and never intended this to happen in humanity. Don't argue with me about it, take the matter up with God because it's his will, not mine or the will of man on that subject. Carson believes that man should decide by his very actions, words and support. Sorry but since he's (Carson) running with 'Christian' on his ticket but following the will of man" ...

Understand? Even Carson, who is a pretty avid Christian, is attacked as not being a "true conservative" by these nutjobs because according to them, only a member of their particular Christian sect is a "true" conservative. everyone else is a tool of Satan.

As one Trump supporter said to this Cruz supporter, the President is elected to execute the laws of man, not God, don't forget that. Too many Cruz supporters want to establish a Theocratic state in place of the Constitution of the United States, and the father of Ted Cruz is mixed up with cults that think Jesus is directly intervening in the 2016 election because Ted Cruz has been anointed as a "King" who is supposed to forcefully loot the wealth and lands of those who are not members of the cult movement and in "the great transfer of wealth" give this money, wealth, land, etc., taken from others who are not them and then give it to the "priests" who run the cult movement who are establishing a new Kingdom with borders that consist of Canada, America and Scotland. Don't ask me to explain the Scotland part of this lunacy, apparently this ideation started in Scotland I guess, then went to Canada and then later to Texas.

In other words, America, Canada and Scotland then become ruled by an anointed King (Ted Cruz) in an "end times" Kingdom in place of elected representative government of America the Great Satan and which will hasten the arrival of Jesus in these very times out of the ashes of destructiion, and this coming of Jesus will only happen if the Jews are converted first which is so important since Jesus is important this conversion is a priority even if it takes forced conversion.

I am not making this up. They are out there and heavily in the very underlayer of the Ted Cruz movement but only talk about what they really believe with each other, pretty much. When you saw Cruz making his victory speech in Iowa, standing right behind him was his cultist father, standing with that look to tell all the cultists that Cruz is a surrogate for this cult movement that will take over and establish the New Kingdom of Canada, America and Scotland after Ted the anointed King wins by the power of Jesus' direct intervention. Praise the Lord.

I am actually concerned this guy, Ted's father, may commit suicide after the election is over, he originally fought as a "revolutionary" for Fidel Castro (I am telling you the truth) but was later imprisoned by the communists for who really knows what, Ted's dad was all about "transfer of wealth" then, but got in trouble for some oddball thing then, later escaped to America and then in 1975 started to get hooked up with cults but still has the "transfer of wealth" thing in his mind but now it is a transfer of wealth by anointed Kings (where by a miracle he gave birth to one of these chosen Kings, his son Ted, Praise the Lord) who will take the wealth of the evil Trump etc. and give it to the holy "priests" of the cultist movement (which includes, Praise the Lord, him, daddy Cruz!).

This father Cruz, his entire life has been mixed up with cults and "revolutions" and utopias and is a cultist personality that is way out of the norm. He is also typical of the personality that will later commit suicide or, if they can, burn to death everyone as failed followers in a compound or give them poisoned koolaid and THEN commit suicide if Ted loses and Jesus doesn't arrive after the election because the very followers of the cult are guilty of not being "true enough", not "true conservatives" so it's better they just are dead for their "failure" of "pureness".

Again, obviously not all Cruz supporters are as described, however they are also unaware of just how much this cultist movement is behind the campaign and in charge. The cultists are only a small minority, but must be exposed or other conservatives are going to face some very embarrassing news cycles if and when the wingnuts go bonkers when the reality sets in that even Jesus isn't going to pull the rabbit out of the hat for a Cruz nomination. Right now Cruz is walking a very thin line not wanting to abandon his dad who he loves, while at the same even Ted doesn't believe in this nonsense and wants to manage the bots who at any moment may step in front of the mic while Cruz is doing a stump speech, and sort of push Ted aside and with a bible in hand start shouting "America is Satan and the true anointed King Ted Cruz will take the wealth of America the Satan and transfer the wealth of the evil doers to the holy priests of Jesus and the end times are upon us! Praise the Lord let the destruction come!"... bad. Very bad for Ted.