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US 2016 Presidental Canidates

Who will you vote for? (If other please explain in the thread)

  • Jeb Bush (Republican)

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  • Carly Fiorina (Republican)

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Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
Here is the state of the election as of today.

The Ted Cruz campaign is in trouble.

In that line of thought, what I am concerned about is that, as reality sinks in as far as the Cruz campaign is concerned, there is an element that may do some bizaare... I don't know, what word for it? Bizaare "thing"?

I am telling you, this election is in fact 1968. Anything can happen any moment, including the bizaare. After all, just like 1968, it is the Year of the Fire Monkey and The Metals. Well, maybe that is irrelevant, but fun to mention.

I was VERY hesitant to post this, since not all Cruz supporters are like this one, and I don't want to lose any reasonable Cruz votes who may later switch to Trump, but the fact of the matter is these type of Cruzers as indictive of below have more than just a little bit of a choke hold in the upper echelons of the actual "leadership" and operatives of the Cruz "movement".

Here is one (below), a declared Cruz supporter who is getting marching orders from some church that is not too far removed from a cult as Carson is attacked as not a "true conservative" because Carson does not belong to the same Christian sect as this Cruz supporter, the same Cruz supporter who thinks some verse in the English King James Version of the Bible that uses the word "trump" (trumpet, but is actually a reference to a type of drummers banging on big loud drums and not trumpets in Greek) is a reference to Donald Trump in an "end times" scenario where the evil Trump who is declared by these nutjobs as the secret operative of Hillary is projected as raising the evil from "the abyss". Carson, who may also get some evangelical votes instead of Cruz, is then attacked.

The Cruz supporter, totally off topic from a tax policy discussion goes into the following:

"... his (Carson's) stance on ordained women entering into the ministry when the Bible is pretty clear with all of the writings of the prophets of God that God doesn't want and never intended this to happen in humanity. Don't argue with me about it, take the matter up with God because it's his will, not mine or the will of man on that subject. Carson believes that man should decide by his very actions, words and support. Sorry but since he's (Carson) running with 'Christian' on his ticket but following the will of man" ...

Understand? Even Carson, who is a pretty avid Christian, is attacked as not being a "true conservative" by these nutjobs because according to them, only a member of their particular Christian sect is a "true" conservative. everyone else is a tool of Satan.

As one Trump supporter said to this Cruz supporter, the President is elected to execute the laws of man, not God, don't forget that. Too many Cruz supporters want to establish a Theocratic state in place of the Constitution of the United States, and the father of Ted Cruz is mixed up with cults that think Jesus is directly intervening in the 2016 election because Ted Cruz has been anointed as a "King" who is supposed to forcefully loot the wealth and lands of those who are not members of the cult movement and in "the great transfer of wealth" give this money, wealth, land, etc., taken from others who are not them and then give it to the "priests" who run the cult movement who are establishing a new Kingdom with borders that consist of Canada, America and Scotland. Don't ask me to explain the Scotland part of this lunacy, apparently this ideation started in Scotland I guess, then went to Canada and then later to Texas.

In other words, America, Canada and Scotland then become ruled by an anointed King (Ted Cruz) in an "end times" Kingdom in place of elected representative government of America the Great Satan and which will hasten the arrival of Jesus in these very times out of the ashes of destructiion, and this coming of Jesus will only happen if the Jews are converted first which is so important since Jesus is important this conversion is a priority even if it takes forced conversion.

I am not making this up. They are out there and heavily in the very underlayer of the Ted Cruz movement but only talk about what they really believe with each other, pretty much. When you saw Cruz making his victory speech in Iowa, standing right behind him was his cultist father, standing with that look to tell all the cultists that Cruz is a surrogate for this cult movement that will take over and establish the New Kingdom of Canada, America and Scotland after Ted the anointed King wins by the power of Jesus' direct intervention. Praise the Lord.

I am actually concerned this guy, Ted's father, may commit suicide after the election is over, he originally fought as a "revolutionary" for Fidel Castro (I am telling you the truth) but was later imprisoned by the communists for who really knows what, Ted's dad was all about "transfer of wealth" then, but got in trouble for some oddball thing then, later escaped to America and then in 1975 started to get hooked up with cults but still has the "transfer of wealth" thing in his mind but now it is a transfer of wealth by anointed Kings (where by a miracle he gave birth to one of these chosen Kings, his son Ted, Praise the Lord) who will take the wealth of the evil Trump etc. and give it to the holy "priests" of the cultist movement (which includes, Praise the Lord, him, daddy Cruz!).

This father Cruz, his entire life has been mixed up with cults and "revolutions" and utopias and is a cultist personality that is way out of the norm. He is also typical of the personality that will later commit suicide or, if they can, burn to death everyone as failed followers in a compound or give them poisoned koolaid and THEN commit suicide if Ted loses and Jesus doesn't arrive after the election because the very followers of the cult are guilty of not being "true enough", not "true conservatives" so it's better they just are dead for their "failure" of "pureness".

Again, obviously not all Cruz supporters are as described, however they are also unaware of just how much this cultist movement is behind the campaign and in charge. The cultists are only a small minority, but must be exposed or other conservatives are going to face some very embarrassing news cycles if and when the wingnuts go bonkers when the reality sets in that even Jesus isn't going to pull the rabbit out of the hat for a Cruz nomination. Right now Cruz is walking a very thin line not wanting to abandon his dad who he loves, while at the same even Ted doesn't believe in this nonsense and wants to manage the bots who at any moment may step in front of the mic while Cruz is doing a stump speech, and sort of push Ted aside and with a bible in hand start shouting "America is Satan and the true anointed King Ted Cruz will take the wealth of America the Satan and transfer the wealth of the evil doers to the holy priests of Jesus and the end times are upon us! Praise the Lord let the destruction come!"... bad. Very bad for Ted.
Didn't hear about this stuff. I was pretty skeptical but some digging does seem to confirm a lot of it. That's disappointing, any idea whether Ted shares the crazier views of his dad?
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The state of the election TODAY as of 630 PM Pacific Time (California).
I only deal in realities, not pipedreams.

SANDERS’ TROUBLES

Hillary Clinton won Nevada. It was close for Sanders. But looking at the numbers, Sanders has troubles. They have to do with the black vote.

African-Americans are probably about 15% in Nevada.

In South Carolina, they are like 35% of the Democrats voting.

Hillary Clinton took the black vote in Nevada. That’s a fact. I only deal in facts.

Now, with 35% of the Democratic vote in South Carolina, next, what do you think is going to happen?

What is going to happen is Hillary’s margin of victory is going to increase. I only deal in reality.

So this is trouble for Sanders. What went wrong?

Here is my opinion. I think it has merit.

Sanders relied too much on the “Black Lives Matter” crowd of the African-American vote in Nevada. While Nevada is NOT the south, it didn’t work there, and I think most blacks, and especially in the South, do not like the “Black Lives Matter” crowd even though they are loud.

They just don’t.

Hillary went around courting the African-American votes in churches, among business leaders of that community, and among loyal Democrats at the organization level.

Sanders cannot win without the black vote. Hillary is taking that vote.

What Sanders needs to do starting immediately, is distant himself from Black Lives Matter. But I doubt he will. He needs to go to the same venues as Hillary. But I think he will continue down the BLM path.

Big mistake.

TRUMP JUST WON THE NOMINATION

Nothing will be easy from this point forward for Cruz, since Trump effectively just won the Republican Nomination for President of the United States by winning South Carolina, and he won it by a landslide.

Marco Rubio did an amazing campaign in South Carolina, and with 94% of the vote in he is in Second over on top of Cruz but only by 1 percent. But it doesn’t matter – this is a huge victory for Rubio and Cruz had to win S.C., needed to win, this was his firewall, and he didn’t. In my opinion, it doesn’t matter WHAT he comes out to say, he is coming out now, he is toast.

This is a HUGE loss for Cruz. I can see he looks shocked – he says “God Bless South Carolina”. God is not going to save his campaign even if he thinks Jesus is personally intervening in the election.

Bush dropped OUT of the race and started crying. Seriously, he cried. Now Cruz is praising Bush, and again attacking Trump as “going to the gutter” and how Jeb Bush “brought honor and dignity”.

The entire nomination process is about the rise of the anti-establishment. The Republican base HATES Bush. And now Cruz just praised him. This was about the most stupid thing Cruz could do.

Cruz doesn’t really have much to say, he is just thanking people. That means he is in shock and depressed while putting on an act of being “Mister”. 99% now in, Rubio is second, Cruz third. But only .1 percent difference. But it doesn’t matter. This is a bad second even if Cruz gets second. It was a Trump LANDSLIDE.

The ticket looks like it’s going to be Trump/Rubio verse Hillary/??? …

That is the reality.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
THE STATE OF THE ELECTION JUST HOURS PRIOR TO THE REPUBLICAN NEVADA CAUCUS

With the Nevada Caucus now just hours away, respnding to a Nevada audience live questions, Trump confirmed he would pursue Hillary's own violations of existing and prosecutable laws regarding the handling of classified materials if he is the nominee.

Trump revealed during an interview with a live Nevada audience on Monday that such campaigning is "only fair" (game).

Some conservative media has already released news items with titles such as "Trump would prosecute Hillary" for her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, after the interactions with the host and live audience, however he actually did not say that during the interviews but he did suggest that someone needs to continue the investigation even after the election if he were elected President, and also suggested one of the reasons for her running is to make any investigation or prosecution more difficult.

Trump said:

"She seems to be guilty," he said. "But you know what, I wouldn't even say that."

He said it would be the Attorney General's job, but added, "But certainly, it has to be looked at".

So it is clear Trump will pursue the email scandals and associated violations as part of the general election campaign, but would focus it as specific to Clinton's violations and not Obama's.

He also told the audience he is not a "conservative" in the sense used by some in the media, but that he is a "common sense conservative". He has said Reagan wasn't a conservative but used common sense as part of his conservative coalition. Trump has already said he is not for abolishing Planned Parenthood, but for refocusing Planned Parenthood on women's health issues that have provided "great things, great benefits" to women, and he would end the sale of aborted body parts.

The "common sense conservative" theme will now be his theme during the primary and general election.

With Nevada today, he is primed for what looks like yet another victory for Trump, and all eyes are more on Rubio and whether Rubio can overtake Cruz. While some recent polling indicates a Rubio surge, a caucus is not a straight up vote that decides, and Rubio may have some inside support in the caucus that in addition to polling may indicate a possible good night for Rubio.

NOTE: "Common sense conservativism " is a term used by Nationalists on the American right-wing as they do not agree with all aspects of the typical conservative approach. For example a nationalist might use executive orders in some cases in the manner Obama has set a precedent simply to reverse some of the previous administration's actions. Those on the left who urged on such actions by Obama and cheered the executive action method may regret doing so if the next administration now uses such precedence to counter such actions. Another example, there is nothing in the Constitution that says there are nine justices on the Supreme Court, that Congress might be able to increase the number to eleven upon which two more nominations could be made by the next executive.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
There is no need to guess, March 1, 2016 Super Tuesday is only 2 days away. So then, all and any guess work is over.

Yesterday, on Saturday, the bombshell New York Times article came out revealing the secret meetings between the "Gang of Eight" pro-amnesty cabal (Schumer,(D) Lindsey Graham (R) and a few others) with FOX cable executives and conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh to couch the Gang of Eight amnesty agenda in positive terms to the anti-amnesty Republican base, and both FOX and Limbaugh played along as part of an anti-Trump card.

On Monday morning the proverbial crap will hit the fan as Limbaugh, who has the most to lose as the anti-Trump and pro-amnesty agenda of the majority of FOX spin on the election has been obvious but Limbaugh has been more discrete, but npw with this breaking revelation Limbaugh is in big trouble and will seek cover to the incoming, and Limbaugh will queue up the same phony callers he has been airing of late who pretend they are one thing but actually another, to try and spin it all as a conspiracy by the NYT and "it is all Rubio's fault" b.s. when he only did it to himself and which will be the biggest career mistake in his entire gig.

This actually will be one item that will impact Super Tuesday, Trump will benefit.

As far as Texas, which is Cruz's last stand, if he doesn't win Texas his campaign is over. But just winning won't be enough, he needs to win by coming in the 50% or higher margin in first place. Anything less goes into a set of rules in Texas that will end up spreading delegates around to second place and Trump will still pick up delegates and adding these to the other states of Super Tuesday it won't matter if Cruz wins his home state Texas unless he gets over 50%. Each of the 108 districts gives 3 delegates, and all 3 do not go to the first place candidate unless that candidate gets 50% or more. Otherwise, for example, Cruz might get two but Trump gets 1 from these districts but Cruz needs all of them to even come close to Trump's delegates overall. So Cruz has to wun Texas or fold the campaign, he can continue on after that if he wins but unless he has a victory in the 50% range he will be cobbled and it doesn't matter how the anti-Trump gang spin it.

Rubio went around saying Trump went pee pee in his pants as if trying to be comedic like Trump. But the "Trump wet his pants" jokes didn't go over with the Republican base despite FOX types such as Megyn Kelly and others who tried to spin it since Friday as "finally! Rubio hits Trump (with pee pee jokes)", last minute polling shows it actually hurt the Rubio campaign as he has dropped 3 points with the pee pee jokes and he is more than 20 points behind Trump in Rubio's own home state of Florida which it looms like he will lose his own home state which will effectively end his campaign and so Rubio made a horrible mistake listening to some of his advisors who put him up to do this.

On the Democratic side, Sanders didn't confront Hillary directly and strongly, he lost the black vote, and his supporters in no way even come close to "revolutionary" types like Bernie was when he was young, Sanders assumed the youth of his supporters would be like the youth of the 1960s but they aren't, they are weak and simply a few internet types but no action among 90 percent who are not up to the fight.

After Super Tuesday, he is probably finished for sure, there is little doubt, his only win is going to be Vermont after all is said and done. And it is now too late for Sanders to get in Hillary's face, he was too nice and that combined with the corruption of the Clinton machine "super delegates" and the lack of response from his couch potato "revolutionaries" has finished him.

The only actionable bare knuckle "revolutionaries" here are the Trump supporters who definetly are not couch potato types, now the RNC establishment types are saying they are going to rush out Mitt Romney if Rubio cannot stop Trump on Super Tuesday, and this Romney idea is so laughable it is beyond the pale that the establishment is so delusional to even think Romney would even get one vote at this juncture, and if the Republican establishment even tries to rig the convention with corrupt delegate manipulations not based on the popular vote count, I kid you not, the Trump supporters will literally storm the convention in Cleveland and tear the place apart, throwing the seats into the street and it will be a full blown riot with riot police and massive arrests and injury. The RNC knows that, they aren't going to try it.
 
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Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It would be Bernie Sanders, but I'm not a US citizen so I've haven't voted in the Poll.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
First off, congratulations to Sanders on his tremendous victories in the states of Kansas and Nebraska. Huge, considering how so many counted him out of the race. Hillary won Louisiana, and very important state.

This is an excellent night for Donald Trump. He takes two states out of four (and Louisiana is a very important win) and a lot of delegates though states with bigger delegate counts coming, with Trump and Cruz getting delegates but Cruz needed a much better pace of delegates to catch up over all, which means no way will Cruz ever catch up with Trump, and the deal is Louisiana was a closed primary and Trump won with only Republicans (no Democratic cross overs), so Cruz is the Tiparillo girl and Rubio is the ice cream man but neither can win a nomination. In addition, considering Kentucky is a caucus where Trump isn’t supposed to do well in a caucus, he did well, it only shows his power.

So at this point, after tonight, I suggest Rubio and Cruz drop out of the race since they are obviously losers who will never catch up with Trump in the delegate count, and the bombshell of Florida is still coming which will be a total embarrassment for Rubio. Probably Kasich should hang in there to see how he does in Ohio, but Cruz has basically shot his wad with very little, if any, opportunities from this point forward. And Rubio will soon be a forgotten as his Republican establishment donors will move to Kasich. So really Kasich should hang in there as we “move North” and it is clear that Cruz and Rubio are losers even in regions they should have done better actually, Cruz and Rubio need to drop out as cheap suits even if they are ironed so that the Party can consolidate around the Republican base’s choice of Donald Trump the next President of the United States. Better to get on with the General election grand force attack on Hillary earlier than later, Cruz and Rubio are just hurting the Republican Party and helping Hillary and this juncture with no hope of ever getting the nomination and really should come to terms with reality instead of their selfish egos.


By the way, Trump had THE line of the night, congratulating Cruz on Maine which he should win being so close to Canada.
 

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
First off, congratulations to Sanders on his tremendous victories in the states of Kansas and Nebraska. Huge, considering how so many counted him out of the race. Hillary won Louisiana, and very important state.

This is an excellent night for Donald Trump. He takes two states out of four (and Louisiana is a very important win) and a lot of delegates though states with bigger delegate counts coming, with Trump and Cruz getting delegates but Cruz needed a much better pace of delegates to catch up over all, which means no way will Cruz ever catch up with Trump, and the deal is Louisiana was a closed primary and Trump won with only Republicans (no Democratic cross overs), so Cruz is the Tiparillo girl and Rubio is the ice cream man but neither can win a nomination. In addition, considering Kentucky is a caucus where Trump isn’t supposed to do well in a caucus, he did well, it only shows his power.

So at this point, after tonight, I suggest Rubio and Cruz drop out of the race since they are obviously losers who will never catch up with Trump in the delegate count, and the bombshell of Florida is still coming which will be a total embarrassment for Rubio. Probably Kasich should hang in there to see how he does in Ohio, but Cruz has basically shot his wad with very little, if any, opportunities from this point forward. And Rubio will soon be a forgotten as his Republican establishment donors will move to Kasich. So really Kasich should hang in there as we “move North” and it is clear that Cruz and Rubio are losers even in regions they should have done better actually, Cruz and Rubio need to drop out as cheap suits even if they are ironed so that the Party can consolidate around the Republican base’s choice of Donald Trump the next President of the United States. Better to get on with the General election grand force attack on Hillary earlier than later, Cruz and Rubio are just hurting the Republican Party and helping Hillary and this juncture with no hope of ever getting the nomination and really should come to terms with reality instead of their selfish egos.


By the way, Trump had THE line of the night, congratulating Cruz on Maine which he should win being so close to Canada.
You sound a little biased. Maine was a big upset, Trump was supposed to crush Cruz there according to polls, yet Cruz crushed Trump there, and had a big win in Kansas when it was supposed to be a narrow victory for Trump.

Cruz performed well last night, if anyone should be dropping out it's just Rubio. Anti-Trump Republicans should be rallying around Cruz if they want any shot at stopping the Donald.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Cruz only got 12 delegates to Trump's 9 in Maine. I am not sure what polling you are referring to regarding Maine, there really wasn't any or so outdated it was irrelevant. Only under 19,000 people "voted" in Maine, the city I live in just one city has more people than those who voted in the Maine caucus, and it wasn't a primary based on votes but a caucus system. With the exception of Texas, Cruz seems to only get a win in a caucus system and not a voting primary. He beat Trump by only 2,500 votes in Maine which is considered less than the size of how many people visit a shopping mall in one day in my area. It is laughable Maine is of any significance but in delegates it was a difference of only 3 delegates. Kansas was also a caucus, at the pace of delegates for Cruz, there is no way he can catch up to Trump.

He had to have done much better, but Trump won the two more important states of Kentucky and Louisiana. In partucular Louisiana, which is very important also later in the General.

Cruz's states should have been the South, yet Trump basically swept the entire South even though Trump is considered a New Yorker.

Texas is not the South. Texas is Texas. Different from Southern people, only geographically is it in the South.

Florida is, in my opinion, no longer Southern, too many New Yorkers and others have retired there. While Texas was Cruz's home state, Florida is Rubio's home state but I will tell you right now that Rubio is going to lose Florida, and probably it will be a Trump win.

The election then starts to move North. That will be Trump and Kasich's ground.

Cruz is not going to catch up with Trump. Rubio is already finished. Even though Kasich is in last place right now, he actually has a better chance of momentum North than Cruz, you watch him now start to win.

Also, do not think a Trump-Kasich ticket is impossible. It is. I can say, Kasich is actually running for VP slot right now though he will never say that.

Those who wish for a Trump-Cruz ticket, no, it is dreaming.
 
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Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
Cruz only got 12 delegates to Trump's 9 in Maine. I am not sure what polling you are referring to regarding Maine, there really wasn't any or so outdated it was irrelevant. Only under 19,000 people "voted" in Maine, the city I live in just one city has more people than those who voted in the Maine caucus, and it wasn't a primary based on votes but a caucus system. With the exception of Texas, Cruz seems to only get a win in a caucus system and not a voting primary. He beat Trump by only 2,500 votes in Maine which is considered less than the size of how many people visit a shopping mall in one day in my area. It is laughable Maine is of any significance but in delegates it was a difference of only 3 delegates. Kansas was also a caucus, at the pace of delegates for Cruz, there is no way he can catch up to Trump.

He had to have done much better, but Trump won the two more important states of Kentucky and Louisiana. In partucular Louisiana, which is very important also later in the General.

Cruz's states should have been the South, yet Trump basically swept the entire South even though Trump is considered a New Yorker.

Texas is not the South. Texas is Texas. Different from Southern people, only geographically is it in the South.

Florida is, in my opinion, no longer Southern, too many New Yorkers and others have retired there. While Texas was Cruz's home state, Florida is Rubio's home state but I will tell you right now that Rubio is going to lose Florida, and probably it will be a Trump win.

The election then starts to move North. That will be Trump and Kasich's ground.

Cruz is not going to catch up with Trump. Rubio is already finished. Even though Kasich is in last place right now, he actually has a better chance of momentum North than Cruz, you watch him now start to win.

Also, do not think a Trump-Kasich ticket is impossible. It is. I can say, Kasich is actually running for VP slot right now though he will never say that.

Those who wish for a Trump-Cruz ticket, no, it is dreaming.
I think a Trump-Kasich is a big possibility you're right. Trump wants to appeal to those undecideds who have a fear he's a crazy right-winger.

If there are too many conservatives by the end of the race who say they won't vote for Trump because he's too liberal however, he may pick Cruz as VP, depending on how well Cruz has done by the end of this.

Or as some have theorised he may go completely off the wall and pick pro-gun military veteran Democrat Jim Webb as VP, going for a fusion ticket that would appeal to the white working class, saying he'll unite America, unite the parties, etc.

The last one is pretty fantastical, but a Cruz VP ticket isn't entirely out of question, and a Kasich one looks plausible.
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
What happens if is a none of the above vote .
Forced our lot into a coalition government for a while ,very humbling for them when the whole country stands up and says we have confidence in none of you !
 

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
What happens if is a none of the above vote .
Forced our lot into a coalition government for a while ,very humbling for them when the whole country stands up and says we have confidence in none of you !
Who is your lot?

Coalitions don't happy in Murica. Someone has to win the presidency.
 

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
Westminster (
I'm also from the UK. Different system over there in the USA, they don't elect individual MPs but everyone directly votes for a presidential candidate, guy who gets a majority in the electoral college wins, and I think it's near-impossible for them to not get a majority, unless a third party managed to come out of nowhere and take votes from both candidates but that's probably not going to happen.

And we have no 'none of the above' vote in the UK either, people just voted for different parties and it resulted in a hung Parliament as no party obtained an overall majority.
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
I'm also from the UK. Different system over there in the USA, they don't elect individual MPs but everyone directly votes for a presidential candidate, guy who gets a majority in the electoral college wins, and I think it's near-impossible for them to not get a majority, unless a third party managed to come out of nowhere and take votes from both candidates but that's probably not going to happen.

And we have no 'none of the above' vote in the UK either, people just voted for different parties and it resulted in a hung Parliament as no party obtained an overall majority.
Where's Richard Prior when , you need him
Hillary Trump & new candidate _overseas named none of the above , can flip my nik in a flash if it helps , lol.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The State of the election today, after last nights Republican debate.

Yesterday, the Drudge Poll collecting votes on "Who won the debate?" was breached by an organized attempt to load in 50,000 to 60,000 votes for Cruz, all detected coming out of the State of Delaware when initially 44,000 such votes suddenly dumped into the servers collecting the vote tallies.

An investigation is underway, but there is no doubt this was part of the "stop Trump" effort of fanatics who will use "by any means necessary" in dirty tricks. Internet polls are "unscientific" and open to fraud, however this was clearly an example of those who would use such fraud to try and manipulate an election. Every other poll including "scientific" ones had Trump the clear winner by 20 to 60 percent over Cruz. But the Drudge Poll is one of the most popular and most referenced of internet polls.

This morning, now the media and the news-link aggregator Drudge is, for the first time finally revealing the videos and historical facts behind certain cultic religious zealots involved in the upper echelons of the Cruz campaign which even involves his own father. The aggregate includes links this morning to the following:



http://eastorlandopost.com/ted-cruz-closet-pentecostal

Slowly the word is getting out. The attempt to spam the poll might be considered expected and nothing to make any issue of, but I think it is a sign of more disturbing things to come.

As far as the debate, Trump did exactly what he needed to do and convey in wake of the Ohio winner take all primary next week, and that was to try and align with the spirit and nationalism of the American worker. He did it well and he likely has a good shot at winning Ohio. Kasich also did well speaking to "his base in Ohio". So it will be close.

Rubio did well in his focus on the Cuban vote in Florida. He likely gained a few points in Florida. However, there are a lot of retired people in Florida, and both Trump and Kasich effectively addressed their concerns over Social Security and likely offset Rubio's gains in Florida.

Cruz spoke on many issues well, but did not zero in on those which would grab the ear of voters in Ohio and Florida. So in that regard, he was the loser of the night.

And with the recent endorsements from Bush family members involved actively now in the Cruz campaign, the secret meeting on Sea Island resort in Georgia by Bush operative Karl Rove (a FOX News "strategist") for the Republican establishment with other "leaders" both in Government and in business as part of the "stop Trump by any means" effort, Cruz is now being called Jeb Cruz instead of Ted Cruz.

This doesn't bode well for Cruz to be caught aligning with the Bush cartel. It will impact negatively for his campaign. The "hack attack" doesn't help either, Cruz already seen as one involved in dirty tricks against the Carson campaign. Fully expected Carson to endorse Trump.
 

Druac

Devout Atheist
This one feels different...maybe not completely unique, as in something similar has happened in the past, but not so recent. This feels like we need to hold fast to one direction or the other in hopes we land somewhere in the middle where damage is bound to be less...but still have a risk of over correction if we are not careful. I think participation is important for this one. And even with the risk of over correction...I FEELTHEBERN!
 
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