US and Saudia Arabia relation

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I think that Saudi Arabia is developing. I mean i am not saying Saudi Arabia is perfect but its the most stabile country in whole of middle east. And although we consider it barbaric, their way of punishment. I still see some posibility of developing to something better.

For example. It has not been a victim of terrorist attacks. It does deal with crime even though its barbaric. There is no crazy brutal riots over something nonsensical etc.

But in other countries there might be more war, terrorism and that stuff etc. But i am pretty critical, when it comes to the support for waring in middle east over everything we don't like when it comes to a government. I mean i think that is the reason for destabilizating places and is the causes for making radical fundamentalists to their belief in islam. And join terror groups in the first place.

I think its more better to use diplomacy to reach to an agreement. Although the islamic laws, or terror groups can be the reason for destablizing a country due to too much theocracy and is the cause of the majority trying to do the same in the western world. Whether its due too the massive imigration(Which plays some part in it), but the cause of radicals can be incresive if its met with war, and gets a resentment towards the one warmongering them in the first place. But if a country has a stabile society for so long, and can develop. Then it has more of a chance to not get these radical views. And probably will be happy that way.
(Try to think the historical lesson of Germany, they tried democracy and gave them massive debt for the whole war, and due to poverty and starvation they became a fascist regime. Now they are pretty developed due to no harsh punishment as it was suggested after WW2)

So i think having good relations, even if its terrible is better than no relation at all.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Where are you from? I've lived there.

 

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Norway. What do you think of Saudi Arabia. Since you have lived there.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I think from your post that you need to study a little more about it.
What are you referring to specifically? Why is this thread even open?

Legal punishments aren't barbaric there as much as they are incredibly effective. One or two showings each year is enough to control a great number of people.
They've done more in the last 10 years to combat internal terrorism than anyone is giving them credit for and their financial system is ridiculously strong.
They didn't have to deal with the Arab Spring because they wrote checks to every single head of household for like $4,000.

Just...what do you want to know?

 

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Ah ok. Just that some people online have suggested that Saudi Arabia is the one cause for funding terrorists. But then again USA is also blamed for that. (It doesnt mean its true though. More speculation to say the least). Its like pointing fingers upwards and downwards without results.

Edit:
(What usually comes in the media is how oppressed women are. I mean i'm not gonna defend that they aren't. But its kinda like baby steps. I was just comparing that the country in general is doing well if one compare other arab countries. And that it can develop more in the future. I have even heard that not too many years ago that women got the right to vote. So its kinda like a hysteria on them being black painted in the media. But i feel that it has potentional, "Structural wise". Not saying its like the holocaust or anything. I would probably see this stuff as normal if i lived there. But if radical changes happens then it might be shocking. I don't know if this explains it. But i hope either way that it explains what i mean ^^)

So i was just kinda raising a point that its better to have a good relation with a country, and try not to focus much on war whenever a regime changes for the worse. But to use diplomatic needs to get solutions.

Was just kinda interested in hearing about people's opinions about it in general. I don't claim to be an expert. But seeing how some become fundamentalists, like IS, Al-Qaida, Taliban, The Muslim Brotherhood and Sunni vs Shia (Which can be like "Catholic vs Protestant" only in the present time. Its kinda sad, but it exists)

To make something for the better without it leading to terrorism. I just have much higher hopes for diplomatic solutions.
But that was just my suggestion.

 

[jonathan180iq]

If you follow money long enough, you'll never like where it goes.
Saying that two of the biggest spenders in the region indirectly have an effect of funding terrorism doesn't require any thought at all. Of course it does. They also provide funding for counter terrorism measures. So what? Those are diversion conversations, in my book. They focus on smaller details of much larger problems.

 

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Yes. I mean crooks comes in every places usually. One just have to stand up against it.