Wandering Monk
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Imagine Trump pardoning Elmer Stewart Rhodes! If he doesn't the violent right may turn on Trump.
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US Capitol rioters await Trump pardons
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Stewart Rhodes - Wikipedia
In the days prior to January 6, 2021, Rhodes and others traveled to Washington, D.C., where they armed themselves with firearms and tactical gear.[14] En route to D.C., Rhodes personally spent $20,000 to purchase "a small arsenal".[27] On January 6, 2021, Rhodes entered "restricted Capitol grounds" where he directed Oath Keepers members via telephone and text, telling them which positions to take up around the building.[28] Four days after the attack, Rhodes attended a meeting where he was recorded saying "My only regret is that they should have brought rifles... We should have brought rifles. We could have fixed it right then and there. I'd hang ******* Pelosi from the lamppost."[29]
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by 7 asterisks because the Xenforo censor allowed the "ing"
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Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
What the heck? I very much dislike Trump, but he won the popular vote by, what, 5 million votes? Yet you are advocating the suppression of the will of the electorate?
John D. Brey
Well-Known Member
Contra-distinctively, a majority of the population of the Country might think of them as patriots such that far from their actions causing them liability, for a large swath of the Country (at least 74 million people, to include the riches man in the world, whose own action imply he might be looking to hire patriots) their actions may render them heroes highly sought out for employment.
John
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
I replied in a similar way before I read this post of yours.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
You bring up an interesting concept by conceiving of a form of responsibility that's stupid. It's almost an oxymoron.
John
They broke the law, conducting themselves in a violent manner with an intent to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. It is responsible to hold them accountable.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Do you think those who beat the capital police (with stick, flag poles) smashed windows to gain entrance, etc., should face no consequences?
John D. Brey
Well-Known Member
. . . Oh, and also where one side are bible-toting, gun-owning, hunters, MMA fighters, etc., while the other side are using taxpayer funds to cut the nuts off their only rowdy badasses (convicted, imprisoned, felons).
John
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
John D. Brey
Well-Known Member
. . . Are you speaking of our Founder's attitude and actions toward mother England, or another group of patriots? . . . The winners kinda get to determine what's a glorious revolution versus an unlawful questioning of the powers that be.
Mother England still hasn't brought our Founding Father's to account for their lawless revolution even as I suspect a number of those who took part in the "disruption" of the powers that be will one day be Senators and Congressmen in a Republican majority of the future. History and law are determined by the victors (not just Victor Davis Hansen). The Country has said MAGA will determine these things for at least the near future.
John
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John D. Brey
Well-Known Member
Do you think the rebels who murdered tens of thousands of Mother England's police force merely for trying to put down an unlawful revolution should face no consequences? Every one of our Founding Fathers, including the likes of Jefferson, would have voted MAGA the other day.
Which is to say, Democrats now know they don't just hate President Donald Trump, they hate the Country and people who love him (to include those who's ideas he's upholding: our Founding Fathers).
Democrats want America to be something its never been. They've never really liked the Country as anything other than a place where, because of the freedoms that exist here, they can try to turn a Country whose very foundations they despise, into a Country they can be proud of for the first time. You know, like how Michelle Obama said the first time she was proud of this Country was when her husband was elected President.
Republicans love the Country at its core, and in its foundations. Many Democrats love the Country only when they steer it away from its foundations, and core values. Michelle Obama loved the Country for the first time not when she read about its foundations, and core values, in school, but when her husband was empowered to try to change the core values in order to make the Country a better place by undermining its foundations and core values. Hussein's attempt is the soil out of which MAGA sprouted. Obama's actions are the fertilizer that grew MAGA. Every time he speaks he fertilizes another shiny sprout of the MAGA movement.
John
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Is the 14th Amendment also an expression of the will of the electorate?
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Don't get too excited. Trump earned 50.5% of the popular vote. Hardly a mandate. Meanwhile only about 43% of Americans actually voted.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
So, you do not support the peaceful transfer of power? Elections have consequences.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Speak for yourself.
As to your comment about 'Mother England," LMOA. Who the **** cares about the monarchy back then?
John D. Brey
Well-Known Member
In my opinion, your statement is perceptive and important since I suspect it establishes a giant link between those who voted MAGA versus those who voted for Vice President Harris.
John
Is that for me?
Laws also have consequences.
Free and fair elections are fundamental to democracy. When an election process fails to abide by the law to the point that it materially effects the result, it's no longer fair... no longer fully democratic.
In practical terms, we know what's going to happen: the EC count will be held and Trump will be named the winner.
In theoretical terms, there are two choices available, neither of which are consistent with a functioning democracy:
1. Allow an ineligible candidate to take office (and remember: he's ineligible because of extreme crimes he committed against the country he purports to serve), or
2. Disregard the vote of a lot of the electorate (i.e. Trump voters in states that Trump won).
No, not the violent ones.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Interesting. I don't see the connection.
It'll be telling if the people who supported Trump's coup attempt most end up getting thrown under the bus by him.
... I mean, it's completely in keeping with his track record, but I think a lot of the groups involved in the coup don't lump themselves in with all the other Trump loyalists who he's abandoned over the years.