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[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry, but that is just the claim of everyone else that has experienced things that will contradict what you experienced. You are trying to lecture others on what is real. Atheists simply say "Not enough evidence has been given, I cannot rationally believe that". If you do not have a way to confirm your beliefs, and you have admitted this, then you should not be telling others what is real or not.

Please note, no one has told you that you did not see what you have claimed to see. It has only been pointed out that there are natural explanations and you do not appear to be able to tell natural from unnatural. Just saying "I would know it" indicates that you probably would not.

But the experience is natural, and there is a natural explanation, it just doesn't fit the Atheist belief system. God is nature, including you, God bless you SZ.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But the experience is natural, and there is a natural explanation, it just doesn't fit the Atheist belief system. God is nature, including you, God bless you SZ.

No, the natural explanation fits perfectly well with atheism. You may be confused with the meaning of the word "natural". That means without magic.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, the natural explanation fits perfectly well with atheism. You may be confused with the meaning of the word "natural". That means without magic.

Yes, we both agree that the reality represented by the concept of natural is not magic.
Btw, do you ever sleep, how many hours sleep a day do you have?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, we both agree that the reality represented by the concept of natural is not magic.
Btw, do you ever sleep, how many hours sleep a day do you have?

No, when you invoke a God you are claiming magic.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, when you invoke a God you are claiming magic.

I don't invoke magic, God is nature, am I invoking nature?
But you ignore the more important question, how many hours sleep do you have? If it is confidential, you can pm your pal, we have no secrets.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't invoke magic, God is nature, am I invoking nature?
But you ignore the more important question, how many hours sleep do you have? If it is confidential, you can pm your pal, we have no secrets.

Then you demote God to the level of being pointless. A non entity. You might as well be an atheist. In other words, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Then you demote God to the level of being pointless. A non entity. You might as well be an atheist. In other words, you can't have it both ways.

Absolutely, one must cease all thought about God and everything else to realize the underlying nature of existence.
Atheism, Theism Yin, Yang, etc.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Absolutely, one must cease all thought about God and everything else to realize the underlying nature of existence.
Atheism, Theism Yin, Yang, etc.

Yes, the underlying nature of existence does not support the existence of such magical beings.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, the underlying nature of existence does not support the existence of such magical beings.

When one ceases thought, there is no other existence than what is present. Concepts like atheism and theism, magic and not-magic, good and evil, do not arise.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When one ceases thought, there is no other existence than what is present. Concepts like atheism and theism, magic and not-magic, good and evil, do not arise.

Yep. It looks that when. When you are dead you are dead.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yep. It looks that when. When you are dead you are dead.

Except one is not dead, hence the saying, "If you die before you die, when you die, you do not die".
It is bed time for me SZ, in the mean time consider the saying carefully and see if there is some sense to it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You apparently also lack a belief in the teachings of Atheism, even though I posted a link to an Atheism 101 guide for those curious about Atheism.

There aren't any teachings of atheism. As noted, twice. The link you've given to some book or something isn't even called "the teachings of atheism."

Atheism is a single position on a single topic - whether one believes in god(s) or not. That's it. Aside from that, atheists come in all shapes and sizes and can believe or not believe anything else, not having anything at all to do with atheism. The only thing we truly all have in common is a lack of belief in god(s).

I also do not believe in magical pixies. In your mind, does that equate to having a "teaching of magical a-pixiism?" That sounds silly, right?

But seriously, let me ask you, what is your preferred name to represent the universe in entirety, known and unknown, manifest and unmanifest?

We have a name for it already - the universe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except one is not dead, hence the saying, "If you die before you die, when you die, you do not die".
It is bed time for me SZ, in the mean time consider the saying carefully and see if there is some sense to it.

Ah, gibberish.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I do not argue, I just say what I say, and it just so happens that some people are triggered by certain concepts. Gooooooodddd...

So your goal here is to "trigger people?"

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sorry, but that is just the claim of everyone else that has experienced things that will contradict what you experienced. You are trying to lecture others on what is real. Atheists simply say "Not enough evidence has been given, I cannot rationally believe that". If you do not have a way to confirm your beliefs, and you have admitted this, then you should not be telling others what is real or not.

Please note, no one has told you that you did not see what you have claimed to see. It has only been pointed out that there are natural explanations and you do not appear to be able to tell natural from unnatural. Just saying "I would know it" indicates that you probably would not.

This ^^^^^

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There aren't any teachings of atheism. As noted, twice. The link you've given to some book or something isn't even called "the teachings of atheism."

Atheism is a single position on a single topic - whether one believes in god(s) or not. That's it. Aside from that, atheists come in all shapes and sizes and can believe or not believe anything else, not having anything at all to do with atheism. The only thing we truly all have in common is a lack of belief in god(s).

I also do not believe in magical pixies. In your mind, does that equate to having a "teaching of magical a-pixiism?" That sounds silly, right?


We have a name for it already - the universe.

Funny, that is a similar approach as Theists who have a single position on one topic, God exists. Aside from that, theists come in all shapes and sizes and can believe or not believe anything else, not having anything at all to do with theism.

But the reality that is represented by the concept of God to some theists is the same universe you believe in, except that Atheists perceive the universe in a dualistic fashion, the perceiver and the perceived, whereas some theists realize it non-dualistically.

You dear ST, can not still your mind to know if what I am conveying is true or not, until you do, you can never know. when the mind is still, there is only a unified presence, no perceiver and perceived, just oneness of existence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Funny, that is a similar approach as Theists who have a single position on one topic, God exists. Aside from that, theists come in all shapes and sizes and can believe or not believe anything else, not having anything at all to do with theism.

But the reality that is represented by the concept of God to some theists is the same universe you believe in, except that Atheists perceive the universe in a dualistic fashion, the perceiver and the perceived, whereas some theists realize it non-dualistically.

You dear ST, can not still your mind to know if what I am conveying is true or not, until you do, you can never know. when the mind is still, there is only a unified presence, no perceiver and perceiver, just oneness of existence.

She may not be able to know that. But sadly it appears that you do not know that either. We can all see that you have a very strong belief, but belief is not knowledge. Knowledge is demonstrable and you have failed to demonstrate that your beliefs are accurate at all.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ah, gibberish.

You can't still your mind, so whatever your opinion, it is worthless.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So your goal here is to "trigger people?"

Don't blame the messenger for the message.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

This ^^^^^

The experience was natural, and there was a natural explanation, it just doesn't fit the Atheist belief system. God is nature, including you, God bless you ST.