US-Israeli Alliance at an end due to Netanyahu's remarks

[Sunstone]

The reality is that not too many care what the Golfer-in-Chief wants or does not want.

Interesting perspective. Interesting, but all indications are: Also wrong.

 

[columbus]

Seems like Obama is actually serious about reaching an agreement with Iran. At any rate, if Netanyahu is weakened by this, he deserves it.

However, even if Obama came up with a workable plan for world Peace, Congress would scuttle it in preparation for the next election cycle.
Tom

 

[Nietzsche]

However, even if Obama came up with a workable plan for world Peace, Congress would scuttle it in preparation for the next election cycle.
Tom

Congress would scuttle a motion by Obama to recognize that the sun rises in the east.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

As long as there are millions of US fundies who believe in the literal truth of the Biblical passages giving the Jews a divine grant of Palestine in perpetuity, there will be US politicians who want their votes. And of course, many of the (Republican) politicians are fundies themselves, like the state senator who recently insulted Hinduism.

 

[Revoltingest]

As long as there are millions of US fundies who believe in the literal truth of the Biblical passages giving the Jews a divine grant of Palestine in perpetuity, there will be US politicians who want their votes. And of course, many of the (Republican) politicians are fundies themselves, like the state senator who recently insulted Hinduism.

Many Dems are just as loopy & fundy (eg, Joe Lieberman, who believes it's wrong to drive a car on Saturday...cuz of religion), so it's a bi-partisan problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

Congress would scuttle a motion by Obama to recognize that the sun rises in the east.

Not true.
So far, Obama's been successful in preventing preemptive war against Iran.

 

[CMike]

This is all Obama who is just nit picking.

Obama is just disrespectful trash

Shame on him to interfere in the internal election of an ally.

And just a little reminder of Obama's sordid campaign.

Obama said Latinos should punish their political enemies.

Remember, according to Obama words in a campaign matter.

 

[CMike]

Not true.
So far, Obama's been successful in preventing preemptive war against Iran.

Great! What happens when they have nukes and they give one to Al Qaida to use against the US?

In the meantime Iran supports Al Qaida who are in an active war with the United States.

 

[Revoltingest]

Great! What happens when they have nukes and they give one to Al Qaida to use against the US?

I don't see that as any greater a risk than Israel nuking its neighbors.

In the meantime Iran supports Al Qaida who are in an active war with the United States.

So long as the USA is in an active war with Iran, I'd expect a response in kind.
It's time we tried peaceful coexistence with Iran, instead of attacking them covertly, by coup & by proxy (Iraq).
Such strong mutual animosity won't go away quickly.

 

[CMike]

Not only do I believe Netanyahu needs a "wake-up call", so does Israel in general.

What Bibi did coming here without he nor Boehner contacting the POTUS was morally corrupt on the basis of our long-standing tradition of not having foreign leaders interfere with our internal debates on foreign policy. And then there are some other factors of what he said in Israel just before the election, which was truly pathetic, although that's more of just Israel's concern.

Without massive amounts of U.S. aid historically, Israel probably wouldn't be around today. This doesn't mean that we own them, but what I am saying is that Bibi's actions and sticking his thumb in the POTUS's eye cannot and should not be tolerated, imo. I'm pretty certain that he's counting on the fact that it's political suicide for both Obama and the Democrats to come off being anti-Israel, but I do believe a strong "message" has to be sent back to Bibi, and in no uncertain terms. This cannot and should not be tolerated, imo.

That is not true.

$3 billion is a small percent of Israel's total budget.

Also, remember how Obama's temper tantrum started. It was in Israel announced new housing in it's own capital.

I know of no other country that Obama is such a schmuck to as he is to Israel.

 

[CMike]

I don't see that as any greater a risk than Israel nuking its neighbors.

So long as the USA is in an active war with Iran, I'd expect a response in kind.
It's time we tried peaceful coexistence with Iran, instead of attacking them covertly, by coup & by proxy (Iraq).
Such strong mutual animosity won't go away quickly.

Iran is attacking the US by supporting and funding Al Qaida.

 

[Revoltingest]

Iran is attacking the US by supporting and funding Al Qaida.

The staged a coup (overturning a democratically elected government) in Iran, supplied Iraq with bio & chem WMDs to use against Iran, & attacked with Stuxnet. Changing our behavior for the better is a good approach to changing theirs.

 

[gsa]

This is all Obama who is just nit picking.

Obama is just disrespectful trash

Shame on him to interfere in the internal election of an ally.

And just a little reminder of Obama's sordid campaign.

Obama said Latinos should punish their political enemies.

Remember, according to Obama words in a campaign matter.

lol Bibi has stuck his head into domestic campaigns in the US. He essentially campaigned on behalf of Mitt Romney and just finished addressing our turncoat Congress. When has Obama done anything that remotely rises to that level of public disgrace?

Great! What happens when they have nukes and they give one to Al Qaida to use against the US?

In the meantime Iran supports Al Qaida who are in an active war with the United States.

There is no way that Iran would ever give nuclear arms to AQ or any other Sunni extremist group. This is a warped fantasy of neocons who can't see that the relationship between the two is always strained; they're cool allies, as you can see from the problems that Iran has with ISIS.

You know, those Americans who are chickenhawks and want to fight a war with Iran can go live in Israel and do it. Or join some crazy militia to fight ISIS or something. The rest of us have no interest in it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

See here.

 

[CMike]

lol Bibi has stuck his head into domestic campaigns in the US. He essentially campaigned on behalf of Mitt Romney and just finished addressing our turncoat Congress. When has Obama done anything that remotely rises to that level of public disgrace?

I must have missed the memo. When did he ever campaign for Mitt Romney during the prez election.

He spoke to Congress about Iran at their invitation. There were democraps there too.

He is acting now like the childish little twerp that he is.

There is no way that Iran would ever give nuclear arms to AQ or any other Sunni extremist group. This is a warped fantasy of neocons who can't see that the relationship between the two is always strained; they're cool allies, as you can see from the problems that Iran has with ISIS.

You know, those Americans who are chickenhawks and want to fight a war with Iran can go live in Israel and do it. Or join some crazy militia to fight ISIS or something. The rest of us have no interest in it.

Treasury: Iranian intelligence supporting al Qaeda | The Long War Journal

Treasury: Iranian intelligence supporting al Qaeda
BY THOMAS JOSCELYN | February 16th, 2012 | [email protected] | @thomasjoscelyn
The US Treasury Department today designated the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) “for its support to terrorist groups as well as its central role in perpetrating human rights abuses against the citizens of Iran and its role in supporting the Syrian regime as it continues to commit human rights abuses against the people of Syria.”

Al Qaeda and its affiliate, al Qaeda in Iraq, are among the terrorist groups supported by the MOIS, which is Iran’s chief intelligence agency.

“Today we have designated the MOIS for abusing the basic human rights of Iranian citizens and exporting its vicious practices to support the Syrian regime’s abhorrent crackdown on its own population,” Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence David S. Cohen explained in a press release. “In addition, we are designating the MOIS for its support to terrorist groups, including al Qaeda, al Qaeda in Iraq, Hezbollah and HAMAS, again exposing the extent of Iran’s sponsorship of terrorism as a matter of Iranian state policy.”

The MOIS is assisting al Qaeda in a variety of ways. According to Treasury, the “MOIS has facilitated the movement of al Qaeda operatives in Iran and provided them with documents, identification cards, and passports.”

In addition, the MOIS has “provided money and weapons to al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)…and negotiated prisoner releases of AQI operatives.”


State Department: Iran Supports Al Qaeda, Taliban | The Weekly Standard

State Department: Iran Supports Al Qaeda, Taliban
6:20 PM, JUL 31, 2012 • BY THOMAS JOSCELYN


The State Department released its annual Country Reports on Terrorism on Tuesday. Once again, the U.S. government has deemed Iran the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism. The Iranian regime’s sponsorship of terrorism includes troubling relationships with al Qaeda (“AQ”) and the Taliban.




“In 2011,” the State Department’s report reads, “Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior AQ members it continued to detain, and refused to publicly identify those senior members in its custody.” Similar language was included in previous State Department reports. But that is not all there is to the Iran-AQ relationship.

Iran “also allowed AQ members to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iranian territory, enabling AQ to carry funds and move facilitators and operatives to South Asia and elsewhere.”

During a briefing with the press, Ambassador Daniel Benjamin, the State Department’s coordinator for counterterrorism, was asked what the U.S. government is doing to counteract Iran’s sponsorship of terrorism. Benjamin said that the Obama administration is “deeply concerned about Iran’s activities on its own through the” Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps – Qods Force (IRGC-QF), which is the Iranian regime’s principal terrorist-supporting arm. Benjamin also highlighted the work Iran does “together with Hezbollah” to “pursue destabilizing activities around the globe.” Iran does not only work with Hezbollah terrorists, however.

“I think that it’s important to note that we’ve seen quite a number of different designations in the last year,” Benjamin explained. “We have seen a number of al Qaeda activists in Iran who have been designated.”

 

[CMike]

See here.

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and has a free press. So people can express their opinions no matter how stupid they may be.

 

[CMike]

The use staged a coup (overturning a democratically elected government) in Iran, supplied Iraq with bio & chem WMDs to use against Iran, & attacked with Stuxnet. Changing our behavior for the better is a good approach to changing theirs.

Dude Iran's constitution vows to have one world arab government controlled by the caliph.

You can't negotiate with people whose stated goal is to kill you or force you to convert to their religion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and has a free press. So people can express their opinions no matter how stupid they may be.

Is it not ironic that Iran was a democracy until Americastan installed the Shah?

 

[CMike]

Is it not ironic that Iran was a democracy until Americastan installed the Shah?

Iran was never a democracy.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dude Iran's constitution vows to have one world arab government controlled by the caliph.

Iranians aren't Arabs, so I very much doubt this claim.

You can't negotiate with people whose stated goal is to kill you or force you to convert to their religion.

When people want to kill you, those are exactly the people you wan to negotiate peace with.
It's the people who don't want to kill you who don't need negotiation.