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US students request 'trigger warnings' on literature

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Except that's not what they're doing, that's not what the intent is, and descriptive labeling something is not censorship. Redacting, deleting, and removing things is censorship. Do you really want me to quote the dictionary?

No. Censorship is any suppression of free speech. And if this isn't suppression then I don't know what is.

This is nothing but your own confirmation bias at play and you are being unaware of it. In your mind if it is done by the right wingnuts then it is censorship, if it is done by the left-wing moonbats then it is just taking precautions
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe some author do not want their works thus labeled.

This is no better than what the PMRC did decades ago. It was censorship then and it is censorship now.

No, it isn't.

Censorship (noun) said:
cen·sor·ship[ sénssər shìp ]
1) suppression of published or broadcast material: the suppression of all or part of a play, movie, letter, or publication considered offensive or a threat to security
2) suppression of something objectionable: the suppression or attempted suppression of something regarded as objectionable

Merely labeling something is not suppression. If you want to accuse it of being politically correct BS, I might entertain that, but what they're doing does NOT fit the definition of censorship. Again, because they're not removing anything!

But I suppose if you want to continue to call it "censorship" to be all overdramatic and misuse the English language, have fun.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
No, it's not. Advisements and warnings do not constitute censorship. Or do you consider the movie rating system to be "censorship" as well?

In a way it is. They have to cut material that the ratings board disapproves of. NC-17 and unrated films often get little or no exposure since most theaters won't show them and movie studios won't back them.
 

dust1n

Zindīq

I'm not sure warning that Satanic material may be in the lyrics for a group of kids in Music Appreciation 101 is equivalent to censoring products available on the market in China because of it. It's a completely different can of worms. No one has to listen to Frank Zappa. You'd have to go out of your way to listen to Frank Zappa. However, students have to complete required material to get a degree.

I'm not sure a victim of rape needs to be required to read an elongated rape scene in order to pass Contemporary Literature. People can show their intellectualism by other means than reliving terrible experiences.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
In a way it is. They have to cut material that the ratings board disapproves of. NC-17 and unrated films often get little or no exposure since most theaters won't show them and movie studios won't back them.

Fair enough. Though as I said, specialty collections already filter material in libraries based on what is age-appropriate. It really wouldn't be adding anything new. And I wouldn't call tailoring collections to be appropriate for a particular age group "censorship." It's being a responsible educator, just like a responsible parent won't let their six year old discover hardcore porn sites or watch a movie like Kill Bill.

Having served on a board that dealt with challenges to public school library collections in the past, I saw how the process for developing collections works. It's very rare that a challenge results in removal of a book from the collection (it didn't happen once while I served). The people who serve on these boards have no interest in "censoring" material, they want to create age-appropriate collections. Beyond that, it's the student's and parent's decision about what books they read. More informative labeling could help facilitate that process.

In short, I think wailing about it being "censorship" is conspiracy theorist paranoia talking, no offense. Gods forbid we be reasonably sensitive to people's proclivities and develop age-appropriate library collections. I wouldn't want this taken too far in the PC direction either, but informative labeling can be useful. In fact, I don't quite understand why other forms of media already have systems in place but books don't. I might poke my friendly neighborhood librarians for more information about this.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
No, it isn't.



Merely labeling something is not suppression. If you want to accuse it of being politically correct BS, I might entertain that, but what they're doing does NOT fit the definition of censorship. Again, because they're not removing anything!

But I suppose if you want to continue to call it "censorship" to be all overdramatic and misuse the English language, have fun.

Suppression can also mean making material difficult to obtain by labeling it dangerous, just like long ago you had to get a doctor's permission and register with the post office if you wanted to read Jame Joyce's Ulysses.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
In a way it is. They have to cut material that the ratings board disapproves of. NC-17 and unrated films often get little or no exposure since most theaters won't show them and movie studios won't back them.

Yes, because it makes it difficult to access those movies. That is a form of censorship. Limiting access to the material.
 

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
When are people going to realize they are not all special snowflakes and the rest of society is not going to cater to their every need?
 

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
Trigger warnings are not censorship. An example would be,

Warning: This text will include depictions of sexual assault.
or
Warning: This text will discuss issues of self-harm and suicide.

I remember reading Prince of Tides in high school and finding the rape scene rather shocking. I can imagine that a rape/molestation survivor could well find themselves having a panic attack or flashbacks from it. I see it as a courtesy, particularly in college where any fear of censorship would be lessened as the students are adults.

I'd recommend it for high school too, although I would not want parents being able to ban a book just because they got told what was actually in it. I think it's the teachers and administrators' jobs to manage the education.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
So what other art forms should we slap on trigger warnings?

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dust1n

Zindīq
How puerile to purposely misconstrue peoples' intentions. Forcing people to read material is far worse, especially since most of these institutions are public, than anything you could ever say or add about a book, without altering the original text.
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
Jeez, word play and campiness is valued so much more highly over actually addressing arguments that I'm starting to see the degeneration that I so often see decried.
 
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