Use of info for examples of evolutionary man..

[ttechsan]

1. Piltdown Man is a proven fraud and yet still used to prove the science of evolution. Humm, that is science you always scream about. Really?

2.Nebraska Man was based on a single tooth that turned out to be a "PIGS TOOTH" Fraud again and where is the pure unadulterated science on this too?

3.Java Man was based on a skull fragment and leg bone found 39 feet apart! Yep so much reliable science backs evolution doesn't it?

4.Ramapithecus was a handful of teeth and jaw fragments that were pieced toghether incorrectly by Louis Leakey and others to resemble a human jaw and yet later proven to be an ape! WOW again! The science is just overwhelming isn't it!

5.Homo Habilis actually is bits and pieces of many different creatures and never actually existed. Overwhelming science or agenda?

6.Austalopithecines have a more pronounced ape like appearance which detailed computer analysis has shown that their body porportions are not an intermediary at all between man and ape.

7. There are other frauds but these are enough for the time being.

My father in law had a demolition company. He tore down buildings and kept the bricks etc to resell and so new buildings could be built.

The drawings used to promote evolution are so much like this. Say my father in law had taken a few of the bricks from the demolition and took them to someone and ask the person to use those few bricks and draw exactly what the building looked like before he demolished it. What if the threw them a curve and used bricks from different buildings but same type brick.

What are the odds the imagination of the person assigned to draw how the building looked is totally accurate? How would we know if we can't even see the picture of the original building. It is all left to that person's imagination.

Yet, that is exactly what occurs with so much of evolutionary "science" as it is figments of imagination only and with such scant info to go by for the drawing and outcome.

Check all this out and I look forward to your scientific explanations.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

You win. There are no explanations. Science is helpless before the razor of your wit. Forwarding for recommendation to Nobel committee.

Are you done now?

 

[tumbleweed41]

1. Piltdown Man was a fraud exposed by evolutionary biologist and anthropologists.
2. Nebraska Man was misclassified early on by a single overzealous paleontologist, and reclassified through actual research by evolutionary biologists and anthropologists.
3. Java Man may be incomplete, but older more complete specimens of humans have been found to clarify it's position. (Science is pliable to new discoveries)
4. Ramapithecus, or Sivapithecus has been shown to be an extinct species of ape by evolutionary biologists and anthropologists.
5. New findings and fossils indicate that Homo habilis may have coexisted with Homo ergaster. And may or may not be a direct ancestor of Homo sapiens. Again, these findings come from the extensive research of evolutionary biologists and anthropologists.
6. Australopithecine are not classified as Homo, but rather the more apelike Hominina subtribe of the Hominini tribe.
7. The only "frauds" you have exposed would be the intentional Piltdown fraud, you know, the one exposed by evolutionary biologists and anthropologists.

Perhaps if you did some actual research rather than relying on misinformation from AiG and other dishonest Creationist sites, I would not have to explain all this to you.

 

[ttechsan]

You guys teach it as fact and proven and ironically if I gave you the same type answer you would get all over me as unscientific. As usual when one can't answer they attack the messenger to get away from what they can't handle. AS I asked give me all your science answers with evolutionary explanations. Should be simple over all these yrs and PROOF that supposedly exists!

Non answers and personal attacks are not answers now are they?

So you are admitting you can't give me an evolutionary theory for an answer. Of course if you did attempt a explanation or theory you couldn't prove it as fact could you as others will do it differently so therefore wouldn't be fact now would it!

Since evolution has all the facts and answers since proven all my coming stuff should be very very easy for you!

 

[Bob Dixon]

Maybe you should take a class on this.

I'm not joking around with you, or being funny or anything like that. I think a class on evolutionary biology could explain everything for you.

 

[ttechsan]

BTW why are my examples still used in textbooks to prove evolution then? I have some at my desk and they are recent and are in them. Speaks of agenda not science as there has been plenty of time to remove it all but hasn't!!! Fossil Record doesn't actually prove evolution. There are not actual transitional forms, unless by imagination like I have referred to, they are all complete and so many are still around the same in today's world yet should be millions of yrs.

 

[Father Heathen]

1. Piltdown Man is a proven fraud and yet still used

I stopped reading here.

 

[Skwim]

Perhaps if you did some actual research rather than relying on misinformation from AiG and other dishonest Creationist sites, I would not have to explain all this to you.

I concur

 

[Skwim]

I stopped reading here.

Then you missed a lot of humorous stuff.

 

[freethinker44]

Even with all of these objections taken into account, evolution has still been proven independently of the fossil record. So whatever evidence or lack of evidence you find in the fossil record doesn't matter. Even if we have never found another skeleton from an orginism, EVER, evolution would still be just as solid and factual as ever.

 

[tumbleweed41]

BTW why are my examples still used in textbooks to prove evolution then? I have some at my desk and they are recent and are in them.

I challenge you to provide the Author, Publication Date, Publisher, and Library of Congress classification of any textbook at your desk that uses any proven fraud as an example of evolutionary biology.

 

[Father Heathen]

Then you missed a lot of humorous stuff.

Eh, I'm sure it was the same tired, recycled garbage that has been regurgitated and refuted countless times before.

 

[tumbleweed41]

BTW why are my examples still used in textbooks to prove evolution then? I have some at my desk and they are recent and are in them. Speaks of agenda not science as there has been plenty of time to remove it all but hasn't!!! Fossil Record doesn't actually prove evolution. There are not actual transitional forms, unless by imagination like I have referred to, they are all complete and so many are still around the same in today's world yet should be millions of yrs.

I challenge you to provide the Author, Publication Date, Publisher, and Library of Congress classification of any textbook at your desk that uses any proven fraud as an example of evolutionary biology.

I eagerly await your answer to this challenge.

opcorn:

 

[jarofthoughts]

1. Piltdown Man is a proven fraud and yet still used to prove the science of evolution. Humm, that is science you always scream about. Really?

The 'Piltdown Man' was controversial and considered with scepticism even before it was determined to be a fraud in 1953, by scientists I might add, and it is not in any way used to 'prove' evolution.
You could have learned that in ten seconds by doing a simple Google search.

2.Nebraska Man was based on a single tooth that turned out to be a "PIGS TOOTH" Fraud again and where is the pure unadulterated science on this too?

The Nebraska Man was a misclassification and not a hoax, and it was corrected only three years after it the original mistake.
Again, this is stuff you could have learned easily enough on your own.

3.Java Man was based on a skull fragment and leg bone found 39 feet apart! Yep so much reliable science backs evolution doesn't it?

This is incorrect.
There have been more finds in the area that partly confirm the existence of the 'Jawa Man', however, the finds are considered too sparse to be conclusive.
Do you want me to teach you how to use Google?

4.Ramapithecus was a handful of teeth and jaw fragments that were pieced toghether incorrectly by Louis Leakey and others to resemble a human jaw and yet later proven to be an ape! WOW again! The science is just overwhelming isn't it!

Ramapithecus is no longer considered to be a genus of its own, and hasn't been considered such since 1976.
Rather we now think that the finds belonged to Sivapithecus, a possible ancestor of the modern orang-utan.
Do you have a problem with science correcting its mistakes?

5.Homo Habilis actually is bits and pieces of many different creatures and never actually existed. Overwhelming science or agenda?

We have at least five different finds of fossils linked to Homo habilis.
This is still considered sparse, thus there is some controversy of which genus to properly place them in.
Oh, and genus name = capital letter, species name = non-capital letter.
See, you might actually learn something new here after all!

6.Austalopithecines have a more pronounced ape like appearance which detailed computer analysis has shown that their body porportions are not an intermediary at all between man and ape.

This is incorrect or at least a misrepresentation.
The current view is that Homo habilis was the link between the austalopithecines and the human lineage, although we still have to figure out which place Australopithecus sediba should have, if any, in this context.

7. There are other frauds but these are enough for the time being.

Considering that only one of the examples you gave was an actual fraud, the plural is used incorrectly.

My father in law had a demolition company. He tore down buildings and kept the bricks etc to resell and so new buildings could be built.

The drawings used to promote evolution are so much like this. Say my father in law had taken a few of the bricks from the demolition and took them to someone and ask the person to use those few bricks and draw exactly what the building looked like before he demolished it. What if the threw them a curve and used bricks from different buildings but same type brick.

What are the odds the imagination of the person assigned to draw how the building looked is totally accurate? How would we know if we can't even see the picture of the original building. It is all left to that person's imagination.

Buildings are not alive, do not have offspring and do not evolve.
Your analogy is worthless.

Yet, that is exactly what occurs with so much of evolutionary "science" as it is figments of imagination only and with such scant info to go by for the drawing and outcome.

If this is your claim, then you have failed to back it up.
I suggest you hit the books and do some more studying before you continue this.

Check all this out and I look forward to your scientific explanations.

No 'scientific explanations' required, whatever that is, considering that your 'frauds' were mostly misinformation and outdated by decades.
I have, however, pointed out your errors for you so that you can correct them.

You're welcome.

 

[McBell]

BTW why are my examples still used in textbooks to prove evolution then?

So, when can expect to see your list of currently used in an accredited school text books that have even one of your "examples" in it as evidence for evolution?

I have some at my desk and they are recent and are in them.

And yet you forgot to list them?
Speaks volumes that you have the "proof" right there on your desk but could not even bother to present it...

Speaks of agenda not science as there has been plenty of time to remove it all but hasn't!!!

Still waiting for your list...

Fossil Record doesn't actually prove evolution. There are not actual transitional forms, unless by imagination like I have referred to, they are all complete and so many are still around the same in today's world yet should be millions of yrs.

even if you completely remove all fossil evidence, evolution stands strong against the ignorance of creationists.

 

[McBell]

Eh, I'm sure it was the same tired, recycled garbage that has been regurgitated and refuted countless times before.

It is.
I really wish creationists would come up with something new...

 

[jarofthoughts]

It is.
I really wish creationists would come up with something new...

Like, I dunno, providing evidence FOR their view of things?

Nah...
It'll never happen.

 

[painted wolf]

1. Piltdown Man is a proven fraud and yet still used to prove the science of evolution. Humm, that is science you always scream about. Really?

No that's just the science you scream about... the science that only exists in your fevered dreams.
Do please show us where Piltdown Man is ever "still used to prove the science of evolution".

2.Nebraska Man was based on a single tooth that turned out to be a "PIGS TOOTH" Fraud again and where is the pure unadulterated science on this too?

No, it was a newspaper story that went viral... it never entered the scientific literature. Which you would know if you bothered to research it.

3.Java Man was based on a skull fragment and leg bone found 39 feet apart! Yep so much reliable science backs evolution doesn't it?

And the multiple other Asian members of Homo erectus that have been found. Which you would know about if you actually did any research.

4.Ramapithecus was a handful of teeth and jaw fragments that were pieced toghether incorrectly by Louis Leakey and others to resemble a human jaw and yet later proven to be an ape! WOW again! The science is just overwhelming isn't it!

And your point is? That science fixes its mistakes with a dedicated search for more information.

5.Homo Habilis actually is bits and pieces of many different creatures and never actually existed. Overwhelming science or agenda?

All of them? You realize that it's not just one individual but several right?
You must have researched this one right? You keep claiming to have done "scientific research" but I'm not finding any evidence for it here.

6.Austalopithecines have a more pronounced ape like appearance which detailed computer analysis has shown that their body porportions are not an intermediary at all between man and ape.

Actually, yes they are... did you not bother to read any of those analysis?

7. There are other frauds but these are enough for the time being.

There was only one fraud listed... the rest are misrepresentations of the truth that you somehow hope will fool people.

My father in law had a demolition company. He tore down buildings and kept the bricks etc to resell and so new buildings could be built.

The drawings used to promote evolution are so much like this. Say my father in law had taken a few of the bricks from the demolition and took them to someone and ask the person to use those few bricks and draw exactly what the building looked like before he demolished it. What if the threw them a curve and used bricks from different buildings but same type brick.

What are the odds the imagination of the person assigned to draw how the building looked is totally accurate? How would we know if we can't even see the picture of the original building. It is all left to that person's imagination.

Yet, that is exactly what occurs with so much of evolutionary "science" as it is figments of imagination only and with such scant info to go by for the drawing and outcome.

Check all this out and I look forward to your scientific explanations.

You do realize that bones are not bricks right... and anatomy isn't imagination.

Have you done any actual "research" on the subject of evolution or biology in general? :sarcastic

wa:do

 

[fantome profane]

1. Piltdown Man is a proven fraud and yet still used to prove the science of evolution.

Thank you for an excellent example of dishonesty.

 

[Valjean]

You mention 'proof', ttechsan, but science doesn't prove anything. You're thinking of mathematics, perhaps.
Science makes observations and proposes explanations based on them. It then tests it's explanations; tries to find flaws. As new observations come to light or problems are found with proposed explanations science revises its theories.
Science self-corrects. It has no agenda. Its theories are works in progress. It actively tries to find flaws in it's theories.

Frankly, I don't understand your problem with Evolution or evolution theory. Do you think there were once wild dachshunds and Guernsey cows?
The basic mechanisms of evolution are pretty obvious, straightforward and intuitive. What other mechanism would you propose?