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Use of Wikipedia as a Source

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Back when I was an undergrad (2006-2010), almost all my professors poo-pooed using Wikipedia as a source of credible information. I found this to be a little too rigid, and today I think Wikipedia is even more credible than it was 10 years ago.

Wiki's articles are usually quite well sourced in my experience, and even note when claims are made that aren't common knowledge but don't have a citation to support them.

While the site's content can, in principle, by edited by basically anybody, my understanding is that a team of moderators tightly control changes that are made and sanction users who input incorrect/unsupported information, and correct egregious errors quickly.

Clearly it's not an infallible source (nothing is, IMO), but I think Wiki doesn't get the credit it's due. If someone cites a Wiki article, it's worth reading through it and verifying its citations.

Am I wrong? Anyone still anti-Wiki?
I don't know about your professors in your undergrad courses, but I would venture a guess that most academics would prefer their students to use academic sources to back up their proto-academic papers. Some of their reasoning may well be found in traditionalism, technophobia, or personal preference, but underneath those layers of bad reasoning, I would say that there is a kernel of a reasonable argument to be fielded against using Wikipedia as a source at university.

Much has been made of the peer review process, but if we're being honest, for a lot of academic papers and articles, that review process is so riddled of holes that we might as well not bother. However, academic papers have one major advantage over even the most specialized Wikipedia article, and that advantage is accountability.

First of all, every academic paper has definite authors who are known in the academic world, and the papers these authors tend to cite also have authors that are known in academia, and so on; in short, every academic author can be looked up and their oeuvre checked for certain longstanding issues and patterns that may shed light on potential problems, political slants, or issues.

For example, the infamous Lancet article that was responsible for the "vaccines cause autism" hysteria had an author with a well known conflict of interest due to his own vaccine business, and the authors he cited as references were mostly anti-establishment kooks and cranks with an easily-trackable history in pseudoscience and quackery. Anybody who read that article and knew a thing about academic papers could find these issues and talk about them. In a Wiki article, most of these glaring red flags would have been hidden by a shroud of pseudonymity and the unaccountable power of staff editors.


Second of all, this accountability also makes it a lot easier to spot political bias in academic articles - if an author is a well known Marxist, for example, even a layperson would expect their article to be slanted towards that point of view and prepare accordingly. A Wikipedia article, meanwhile, has no visible author, and whatever slant they have is therefore a lot more hidden and harder to discern for somebody who isn't already a specialist in the field. This is especially problematic in more obscure areas of the site, where editors knowledgeable in that field of knowledge tend to be hard to find and singular biases reign supreme. This is especially noticeable in politically contentious fields such as history, philosophy or economics, where more obscure topics are frequently in the deathgrip of a small number of power users who effectively are given a free hand to push their bias wherever they can.


Third of all, as nascent academics, I would say it absolutely behooves a university to make its students familiar with academic literature, and to get them into the habit of using it properly to support their work.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Back when I was an undergrad (2006-2010), almost all my professors poo-pooed using Wikipedia as a source of credible information. I found this to be a little too rigid, and today I think Wikipedia is even more credible than it was 10 years ago.

Wiki's articles are usually quite well sourced in my experience, and even note when claims are made that aren't common knowledge but don't have a citation to support them.

While the site's content can, in principle, by edited by basically anybody, my understanding is that a team of moderators tightly control changes that are made and sanction users who input incorrect/unsupported information, and correct egregious errors quickly.

Clearly it's not an infallible source (nothing is, IMO), but I think Wiki doesn't get the credit it's due. If someone cites a Wiki article, it's worth reading through it and verifying its citations.

Am I wrong? Anyone still anti-Wiki?

I’m certainly pro-Wikipedia, though like any source, it has its limitations. Articles are usually up to date, well referenced, comprehensive and carefully edited.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What I hate about wikipedia is when a movie or a book has no page about it.
So... I have to write it.:p
I have written so many Wikipedia articles about movies and books, obviously using reliable sources on the internet.
Most of the articles are about American movies which had a page in English but not in Italian.
 
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Nimos

Well-Known Member
Back when I was an undergrad (2006-2010), almost all my professors poo-pooed using Wikipedia as a source of credible information. I found this to be a little too rigid, and today I think Wikipedia is even more credible than it was 10 years ago.

Wiki's articles are usually quite well sourced in my experience, and even note when claims are made that aren't common knowledge but don't have a citation to support them.

While the site's content can, in principle, by edited by basically anybody, my understanding is that a team of moderators tightly control changes that are made and sanction users who input incorrect/unsupported information, and correct egregious errors quickly.

Clearly it's not an infallible source (nothing is, IMO), but I think Wiki doesn't get the credit it's due. If someone cites a Wiki article, it's worth reading through it and verifying its citations.

Am I wrong? Anyone still anti-Wiki?
I was told exactly the same. :)

I think the main issue though is exactly that content can be changed. So if you write a paper and refer to wikipedia, the source or content might have been change, which could ruin your study or argument. And lets imagine that you turn in your paper studying at a university, and go to the exam and the censors, refer to one of the sources and point out that it is wrong, and when you go check it, you have to suddenly explain what the source original said and so forth.

But again its sometimes since I went to the university, so things might have changed.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Back when I was an undergrad (2006-2010), almost all my professors poo-pooed using Wikipedia as a source of credible information. I found this to be a little too rigid, and today I think Wikipedia is even more credible than it was 10 years ago.

Wiki's articles are usually quite well sourced in my experience, and even note when claims are made that aren't common knowledge but don't have a citation to support them.

While the site's content can, in principle, by edited by basically anybody, my understanding is that a team of moderators tightly control changes that are made and sanction users who input incorrect/unsupported information, and correct egregious errors quickly.

Clearly it's not an infallible source (nothing is, IMO), but I think Wiki doesn't get the credit it's due. If someone cites a Wiki article, it's worth reading through it and verifying its citations.

Am I wrong? Anyone still anti-Wiki?
Except for academia Wikipedia is a reliable enough source. It sure is for discussions on RF. I used to follow the source links to check for inaccuracies but I found that isn't necessary. The articles are generally of high quality.
The only field I'd go to sources and, even better, look for other sources is for possibly controversial topics, e.g. celebrities or corporations who like to hide or euphemize information.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Back when I was an undergrad (2006-2010), almost all my professors poo-pooed using Wikipedia as a source of credible information. I found this to be a little too rigid, and today I think Wikipedia is even more credible than it was 10 years ago.

Wiki's articles are usually quite well sourced in my experience, and even note when claims are made that aren't common knowledge but don't have a citation to support them.

While the site's content can, in principle, by edited by basically anybody, my understanding is that a team of moderators tightly control changes that are made and sanction users who input incorrect/unsupported information, and correct egregious errors quickly.

Clearly it's not an infallible source (nothing is, IMO), but I think Wiki doesn't get the credit it's due. If someone cites a Wiki article, it's worth reading through it and verifying its citations.

Am I wrong? Anyone still anti-Wiki?
You have to read it critically. Some articles are excellent and most of the ones I've read are basically credible. However, I think it is not good practice in academic work to cite Wiki as a reference, as there is no editorial control and occasionally it is wrong.

What one can do, though, is use Wiki as a time-saving start point and then use the reference list in the Wiki article for further reading, to direct one to sources that can be cited.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I have seen many a times right here of RF where wiki is dismissed out of hand by the side that wiki disagrees with.
And more than once I have seen that same person post links to wiki that agree with them.

Now don't get me wrong.
There is a huge difference between disagreeing with what is in a wiki article and dismissing it out of hand with out even looking at the article.
And some articles are much better than others.

Human nature, confirmation bias, applies to wikipedia.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
You have to read it critically. Some articles are excellent and most of the ones I've read are basically credible. However, I think it is not good practice in academic work to cite Wiki as a reference, as there is no editorial control and occasionally it is wrong.

What one can do, though, is use Wiki as a time-saving start point and then use the reference list in the Wiki article for further reading, to direct one to sources that can be cited.


I would also note that google.scholar is a very good search engine for academic articles on many topics. It tends to be my go-to when first researching a technical topic.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You have to read it critically. Some articles are excellent and most of the ones I've read are basically credible. However, I think it is not good practice in academic work to cite Wiki as a reference, as there is no editorial control and occasionally it is wrong.

What one can do, though, is use Wiki as a time-saving start point and then use the reference list in the Wiki article for further reading, to direct one to sources that can be cited.

In academic work, citing an encyclopedia article of any sort is a no-no in general.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I was told exactly the same. :)

I think the main issue though is exactly that content can be changed. So if you write a paper and refer to wikipedia, the source or content might have been change, which could ruin your study or argument. And lets imagine that you turn in your paper studying at a university, and go to the exam and the censors, refer to one of the sources and point out that it is wrong, and when you go check it, you have to suddenly explain what the source original said and so forth.

But again its sometimes since I went to the university, so things might have changed.

That and some colleges like the one I go to have auto plagiarizing checks. So, say you're writing a dessertation and decide to edit a wiki article while using it as a source. The computer can't tell the difference so it would assume you are plagerizing someone else's work even paraphrased. Then if you write a quote without triple checking and go back to find it edited, it's not only an empty quote, your professor double checks your sources and the edit doesn't align with what you wrote.

I use online sites for general reference (layman's language) but quote all articles on sites like jstor or gale etc.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
That and some colleges like the one I go to have auto plagiarizing checks. So, say you're writing a dessertation and decide to edit a wiki article while using it as a source. The computer can't tell the difference so it would assume you are plagerizing someone else's work even paraphrased. Then if you write a quote without triple checking and go back to find it edited, it's not only an empty quote, your professor double checks your sources and the edit doesn't align with what you wrote.

I use online sites for general reference (layman's language) but quote all articles on sites like jstor or gale etc.
Agree, I think they have good reasons, normally teachers at these places are not unintelligent people in general :D Again, it might have changed don't know what the norm is now.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Big Wiki fan, but I note that ever since Denis Diderot produced his Encyclopie -- with the writing help of all sorts of people, including the Atheist Paul-Henri Thiry, Baron d'Holbach, whose home he went to every week for some great salons. I used to own a Britannica, which I treasured, but even it was written by mere humans (from all over the place) and contained errors that needed regular correction.

The thing it is important to do -- if you are going to use Wiki as a source -- is be very, very sure to check that citations are in order.
 
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