Using AI for writing?

[Nimos]

Does anyone use AI for writing and if you do, which are you using and what experiences have you made from it, good and bad?

 

[Eddi]

I would never ever use it as a matter of principle

To me doing so would utterly destroy any credibility I may have as an artist and a thinker

People caught using it in an academic setting should be kicked out of whatever institution they are studying at

I worked dam hard for my degree, why should some moron with less than half a brain get their degree effortlessly using AI?

 

[Nimos]

I would never ever use it as a matter of principle

To me doing so would utterly destroy any credibility I may have as an artist and a thinker

People caught using it in an academic setting should be kicked out of whatever institution they are studying at

I worked dam hard for my degree, why should some moron with less than half a brain get their degree effortlessly using AI?

Im not talking about using it for academic work, just for writing novels etc.

 

[Eddi]

Im not talking about using it for academic work, just for writing novels etc.

Why would anyone want to use AI in a creative project?

I would not read a novel if I knew its author had used AI

 

[Jimmy]

AI that’s made for the public is junk. The good stuff is controlled by the government, rightly so.

 

[Eddi]

AI that’s made for the public is junk. The good stuff is controlled by the government, rightly so.

And it is most probably running the world right now, without us knowing (joke)

 

[Nimos]

Why would anyone want to use AI in a creative project?

Because you can use it as a sparing tool to help you organize your things without having to manually type everything. You can also use it to help you find problems in your story, like things that could be better explained, that might be confusing etc.

 

[Eddi]

Because you can use it as a sparing tool to help you organize your things without having to manually type everything. You can also use it to help you find problems in your story, like things that could be better explained, that might be confusing etc.

Couldn't a real person with an actual mind be able to help with all that?

I wouldn't trust AI's judgment, it is inherently stupid and inhuman

 

[Nimos]

Couldn't a real person with an actual mind be able to help with all that?

I wouldn't trust AI's judgment, it is inherently stupid and inhuman

Sure, but you don't always have access to someone wanting or able to do this. Most people are not writers or might simply miss it. First of all the AI can't write a whole story for you, it can't keep track of things correctly, so that option at least now doesn't exist.

But that doesn't mean that it as a tool can't be useful, in the same way as a spelling program is. You could also argue that a human could do this, and people using spelling programs are lazy ********. But I think most would agree that is not the case.

 

[Eddi]

Sure, but you don't always have access to someone wanting or able to do this. Most people are not writers or might simply miss it. First of all the AI can't write a whole story for you, it can't keep track of things correctly, so that option at least now doesn't exist.

But that doesn't mean that it as a tool can't be useful, in the same way as a spelling program is. You could also argue that a human could do this, and people using spelling programs are lazy ********. But I think most would agree that is not the case.

I wouldn't let AI anywhere near any of my projects!

I've found that a good thing to do is finish a version and then not look at it for two or three weeks and do something else to occupy yourself, and then look upon it with fresh eyes

Also, I would not trust AI not to rip me off - generative AI is basically one big enormous rip-off

 

[Nimos]

Also, I would not trust AI not to rip me off - generative AI is basically one big enormous rip-off

What do you mean rip off? that they train of you stuff?

 

[Quintessence]

There is only one way I have used so-called AI for writing and it's not me using it, personally. I teach a class that has some writing components and I use a platform powered by AI feedback that teaches students to become better writers, critical thinkers, and learners.

This is the correct application of the technology. Anything else is... well, do you value literacy or don't you? While in many respects I think literacy is highly overrated - human society got along for the vast majority of its history without the written word or reading - most would agree it is absolutely essential to modern living.

 

[Eddi]

What do you mean rip off? that they train of you stuff?

It plagiarises things, that's how it works

It is trained on existing images

Many artists have raised concerns over this

It generates content based on what images it has been fed

There is no creativity involved, it has no imagination

It's just synthesis

Brainless synthesis

That's how it works

There is nothing intelligent about it

It imitates artistic styles, it doesn't actually do anything artistic

I despise it

 

[Nimos]

There is only one way I have used so-called AI for writing and it's not me using it, personally. I teach a class that has some writing components and I use a platform powered by AI feedback that teaches students to become better writers, critical thinkers, and learners.

This is the correct application of the technology. Anything else is... well, do you value literacy or don't you? While in many respects I think literacy is highly overrated - human society got along for the vast majority of its history without the written word or reading - most would agree it is absolutely essential to modern living.

I agree, that if AI especially young people use it for school work, then we are going to have serious problems rather quickly. But on the other hand, I think a lot of people see AI at least in its current form as some miracle thing, it is very powerful, but definitely not without flaws.

But isn't that the same with all tools, AI or not? We use them to improve our work and do things faster.

If AI ever reaches AGI, then clearly we will have huge issues, but until then isn't it just a tool like everything else and you can use it correctly or not?

 

[Nimos]

It plagiarises things, that's how it works

It is trained on existing images

Many artists have raised concerns over this

It generates content based on what images it has been fed

There is no creativity involved, it has no imagination

It's just synthesis

Brainless synthesis

That's how it works

There is nothing intelligent about it

It imitates artistic styles, it doesn't actually do anything artistic

I despise it

Agree, whether it is creative or not, depends on how one defines creativity. But obviously, AI doesn't do anything on its own, it needs humans to initiate it.

Sure it is based on training data and whether that is morally right or not, I think can be discussed. But there are obviously some issues here that need to be solved.

But also I think there is a huge difference between people using it for personal things and then when companies apply it. I don't think there is a huge issue with individuals using it, however, if companies aim to use it, then it is purely for one purpose only and that is to replace humans.

 

[Quintessence]

But isn't that the same with all tools, AI or not? We use them to improve our work and do things faster.

This compulsion to "improve" and "do things faster" is part of the problem in some ways. Culturally, the United States could deal with a heck of a lot more of "be satisfied" and "do things slower." Less fixation on product, more fixation on process. A major factor in declining mental health and increased stress in this culture is the exhaustingly fast-paced and demanding capitalist culture. Always demanding more, more, more, faster, faster, faster, better, better, better... never enjoying life and counting one's blessings. But I digress.

 

[Nimos]

This compulsion to "improve" and "do things faster" is part of the problem in some ways. Culturally, the United States could deal with a heck of a lot more of "be satisfied" and "do things slower." Less fixation on product, more fixation on process. A major factor in declining mental health and increased stress in this culture is the exhaustingly fast-paced and demanding capitalist culture. Always demanding more, more, more, faster, faster, faster, better, better, better... never enjoying life and counting one's blessings. But I digress.

Agree, but this has been true forever, AI is just yet another tool with that purpose. So agree, that it is a cultural issue more than anything, which is linked to the competitive society in which we live. I don't think humans have ever really appreciated working together for a greater cause, rather it is always how can I get ahead of you, and you are thinking the exact same thing.

During the Covid, I think we saw a snippet of what it could look like when humans do this, and there is something impressive about it.

 

[Secret Chief]

Does anyone use AI for writing and if you do, which are you using and what experiences have you made from it, good and bad?

One of the computer science teachers showed me a 90 page piece of work that he had generated using AI. Impressive stuff.

 

[Eddi]

One of the computer science teachers showed me a 90 page piece of work that he had generated using AI. Impressive stuff.

But this person did not actually generate it, did they?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would rather quit art than use AI. As it is human it will never be able to understand or appreciate the human experience, it will never truly understand how we think, and as they are creations that run on pure logical they will never be able to replicate or surpass the human emotion in art.