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UU, Atheism, and "Church?"

Since first reading a tidbit about Unitarian Universalism, I've been curious about how Atheism factors into the concept of services. Having grown up in Presbyterian, Methodist, and Charismatic Christian environments, the idea of a church that seems to lack in a specific spiritual aspect is .... quite confusing.

I was wondering if some of you wouldn't mind giving me examples of what sort of things usually happen in a service at your church. I think I've read before that most UU churches recognize certain traditions of other religions (such as Christmas, etc). Does your church do this? How is it presented?

Also, are stories from other religions told? If so, in what manner? (To teach certain morals?)

Are there some UU churches that are mostly Atheistic and have no sort of worship, or do most UU churches not have a set time for worship at all?

Is the main concept one of community and a shared morality?

I hope my questions don't seem silly. The concept just simultaneously baffles and intrigues me. There is actually a UU church very close to my house and I've been considering going to find out for myself, but I want to get an idea of what to expect beforehand.

Thank you for your time.

P-G
 

Jacksnyte

Reverend
From Wikipedia:

Concepts about deity are diverse among UUs. Some have no belief in any gods (atheism); others believe in many gods (polytheism). Some believe that the question of the existence of any god is most likely unascertainable or unknowable (agnosticism). Some believe that God is a metaphor for a transcendent reality. Some believe in a female god (goddess), a passive god (Deism), an Abrahamic god, or a god manifested in nature or the universe (pantheism). Many UUs reject the idea of deities and instead speak of the "spirit of life" that binds all life on earth. UUs support each person's search for truth and meaning in concepts of spirituality.
Deliberately without an official creed or dogma (per the principle of freedom of thought), Unitarian Universalists instead typically agree with the Principles and Purposes suggested by the Unitarian Universalist Association. As with most actions in Unitarian Universalism, these were created in committee, and affirmed democratically by a vote of member congregations, proportional to their membership, taken at an annual General Assembly (a meeting of delegates from member congregations). Adopted in 1960, the full Principles, Purposes and Sources can be found in the article on the Unitarian Universalist Association. The Principles are as follows:
Unitarian Universalism is often referred to by its members as a living tradition, and the principles and purposes have been modified over time to reflect changes in spiritual beliefs among the membership. Most recently, the last principle, adopted in 1985 and generally known as the Seventh Principle, "Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part", and a sixth source (adopted in 1995), "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature" were added to explicitly include members with Neopagan, Native American, and pantheist spiritualities.[21] Unitarian Universalists tend to promote beliefs of a person that are based on their individual thoughts, and can range from a strict monotheistic belief to more of a philosophical view of things.​
Unitarian Universalists place emphasis on spiritual growth and development. Unitarian Universalism is a creedless religion. The Unitarian Universalist Association affirms seven principles:[22] The official statement of Unitarian Universalist principles describes the "sources" upon which current practice is based:[22]

  • Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
  • Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
  • Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
  • Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
  • Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
  • Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.
The religious pluralism of Unitarian Universalism respects diverse traditions within the movement and often within the same congregation. Many see it as a typical syncretic religion, in which personal beliefs and religious services draw from many faith traditions.
Unitarian Universalism asserts a strong commitment to social justice and community exploration of spiritual development.
Unitarian Universalists assert no theology. Unitarian Universalists believe that the divine can be found in all people and in many faiths. Unitarian Universalists draw inspiration from a variety of other faith traditions. Many Unitarian Universalist churches celebrate observances associated with other religious traditions, including Buddhist-style meditation groups, Jewish Seder, Yom Kipur and Passover dinners, iftaar meals (marking the breaking of Ramadan fast for Muslims), and Christmas Eve/Winter Solstice services. Children's and youth's religious education classes teach about the divinity of the world and the sanctity of world religions. One of its more popular curricula, Neighboring Faiths (formerly Church Across the Street), takes middle and high school participants to visit the places of worship of many faith traditions including a Hindu temple, a Reform or Orthodox synagogue, and a Catholic church.
Many Unitarian Universalists consider themselves humanists, while others hold to Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, natural theist, atheist, agnostic, pantheist, pagan, and other beliefs. Most choose to attach no particular theological label to their beliefs. This diversity of views is considered a strength in the Unitarian Universalist movement. The emphasis remains on the common search for meaning among its members rather than adherence to any particular doctrine. Many UU congregations have study groups that examine the traditions and spiritual practices of Neopaganism, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Pantheism, and other faiths. Some UU ministers, such as the Reverend James Ishmael Ford, are also ordained Zen teachers. Other UU ministers, such as the Reverend David Miller, are atheists. There are Buddhist meditation teachers, Sufi teachers, as well as gnostic and episcopi vagantes clerics. Some view their Jewish heritage as primary, and others see the concept of God as unhelpful in their personal spiritual journeys. While Sunday services in most congregations tend to be spiritual in nature (as different from theological), it is not unusual for a part of a church's membership to attend pagan, Buddhist, or other spiritual study or worship groups as an alternative means of worship. Some Unitarian Universalists are also atheist or agnostic.
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Antiochian

Rationalist
In my UU church (some churches call themselves fellowships or congregations, because the term "church" does smack of Christianity..) no specific God is prayed to. In fact, I haven't heard a prayer recited at all. Our services tend to consist of the chalice lighting, singing some hymns (which are basically songs that could be considered spiritual but not of any one religion, such as "Morning Has Broken.")... Then the highlight is usually the presentation, which is usually on some topic, which will vary. A local gay minister will be doing a talk on the spirituality of food. Then another song or two is sung, people share their concerns and joys, the chalice is extinguished, and then fellowship and further discussion afterwards. Other UU fellowships with larger Christian numbers may be more Protestant-ish in style, or UU churches with more Pagans may reflect that in their services. In my church's case, the atmosphere is more spiritual but not religious in the sense that Jehovah, Ishtar, or Allah are specifically prayed to, or any one religion given favor over others.
 

bicker

Unitarian Universalist
Since first reading a tidbit about Unitarian Universalism, I've been curious about how Atheism factors into the concept of services.
Very little, if at all. Very few of the members of my church are Atheist.

Having grown up in Presbyterian, Methodist, and Charismatic Christian environments, the idea of a church that seems to lack in a specific spiritual aspect is .... quite confusing.
As well it should, but your assumption is the source of your confusion. Our UU church doesn't lack in any spiritual aspect whatsoever.

I was wondering if some of you wouldn't mind giving me examples of what sort of things usually happen in a service at your church.
We sing hymns; members read thought-providing readings; the minister preaches a sermon.

I think I've read before that most UU churches recognize certain traditions of other religions (such as Christmas, etc). Does your church do this? How is it presented?
All sources of spiritual wisdom are valued. Generally, nothing special needs to be done to make such practices amenable, though if any are specifically anti-freedom, anti-welcoming, or otherwise morally offensive vis a vis UU principles, than those aspects are either bypassed, or the offensiveness is explained in the context of it being a traditional practice that we've grown beyond as a people.

Also, are stories from other religions told?
Absolutely.

Are there some UU churches that are mostly Atheistic and have no sort of worship, or do most UU churches not have a set time for worship at all?
Our weekly services are 9:15 and 11:00 on Sunday, and we have additional Wednesday evening worship once a month.

Is the main concept one of community and a shared morality?
There are a set of seven principles that you might find of use: UUA: Our Unitarian Universalist Principles
 
Thank you very much for your replies, and the informative links.

I may still attend a UU service, as your information has definitely not squashed my curiosity. I might even convince my mother to attend with me and see what she thinks. Her beliefs seem almost identical to the principles listed, but with more of a Christian influence.

Thanks again.

P-G
 

applewuud

Active Member
You know, it's not that different: every Sunday at 10 AM we spend about an hour hearing words, singing songs, and being silent. It's just that the words we hear and the songs we sing aren't reinforcing One Way of looking at things. My church holds a fairly standard Christmas Eve service, but the Sunday before was about Hannukah, and we've had Buddhist and Muslim speakers. They were free to present their prayers and meditations.

We have a ritual of welcoming children, which is sort of like "baptism-light" involving water and a flower. Other rituals include Flower Communion (no bread or wine, just flowers) or a drum circle.

As for atheism...A UU minister at a church nearby is a declared atheist. But his preaching is inspiring, and he does incorporate a "worship" period in his services: "If you pray, pray; if you meditate, meditate." Spirituality doesn't depend upon a belief in a personal God; it does have to do with reverence for creation and a growing awareness of connections outside our normal sphere of thought...which describes Carl Sagan in my book, who was an atheist.

BTW, the best sermons I've heard anywhere are the last five minutes of any "Real Time with Bill Maher" show. He may be an atheist, but he's a great preacher of the truth, if you can stand it.
 
Very interesting, applewuud. Thank you so much for your reply.

I think I will definitely drag my mom to that church to visit. I hope it's similar to yours. & I will check out that "Real Time with Bill Maher" show that you mentioned.
 

JonathanCid

Member
Unitarian Universalism tends to emphasize pretty universal, positive values. Being an atheist doesn't mean someone is immoral or without values; many atheists appreciate that the Unitarian faith recognizes this and openly welcomes them. What's emphasized in worship tends to be some pretty simple, pretty universal values, and even some things that challenge members of the congregation to think about different ideas and beliefs. Difference of beliefs really doesn't interfere with Unitarians finding common ground.
 

thalassa

New Member
I've attended several UU fellowships over the past few years due to moving (we try all the ones in an area out), and it has been my experience that UU is very congregational. I have been to UUFs that emphasize the Christian aspect, those that emphasize the secular humanist view, those that emphasize a more earth-centered tradition, and currently one that emphasizes all of those influences, as well as the historical tradition of both Unitarians and Universalists. Also, many UU congregations will include specific small worship groups for different beliefs--our congregation has both a women's goddess-centered group and a earth-centered spirituality group, as well as a group that does a more Christian-centered discussion. One of the congregations we went to had none of those, but had meditation classes, a Buddhist discussion and an Atheist discussion.

I was wondering if some of you wouldn't mind giving me examples of what sort of things usually happen in a service at your church. I think I've read before that most UU churches recognize certain traditions of other religions (such as Christmas, etc). Does your church do this? How is it presented? Also, are stories from other religions told? If so, in what manner? (To teach certain morals?)

The basic service is similar to mainline Christian services--sing a song, let the munchkins come up for a mini lesson before their RE classes, sing a song, pray/meditate (our current congregation has a "blessings and concerns" candle lighting), sing a song, offer and offering which we share with a charity, listen to some words of wisdom either from the minister or someone else, sing a song and have a nice day.

For holidays, the story is often told of the cultural/religious significance of that holiday with the kids, but them the greater theme/message of that day expounded upon in the "sermon". Which holidays are recognized depend on the congregation.

In general though, themes vary--I've seen the Drake equation discussed, evangelism in a UU context, the Gaia Hypothesis from a spiritual perspective, a Beltane ritual and maypole, a multi-religious Winter solstice celebration, etc. Plus there are some specific UU rituals like the flower communion and the water communion.


Are there some UU churches that are mostly Atheistic and have no sort of worship, or do most UU churches not have a set time for worship at all?

We have ideas/concepts addressed as a group, but whether we incorporate a deity or not (or which one) is pretty much individual, unless someone is attending a specific service (for example, the Pagan group celebrates the sabbats). I've never been to a congregation that was mostly Atheist.

Is the main concept one of community and a shared morality?

Yes. ...or at least respect for individual moralities as expressed with/thru the 7 principles
 
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