Vaccination and Religious Beliefs

[Madhuri]

Hi everyone,
it's recently come to my attention that a number of common vaccinations contain cells from aborted fetuses. But I'm also aware that most people, including religious people, get vaccinated. I have a Christin friend who is a Pharmacist and who is anti-vax specifically because of this ingredient. But how common is it for religious people who are against abortion to get themselves and their children vaccinated?

Are you one of these people or are you a religious person who avoids vaccination for religious reasons?

 

[psychoslice]

I am against vaccinations, I myself only ever had one vaccination, being the polio vac, it caused me to have epileptic fits for 4 years, being nine to thirteen. I have developed schizophrenia which I believe had something to do with that vaccination.

 

[Tumah]

I am pro-vaccination. I've never seen one of my Rabbinical leaders come out against it and I've seen many that encouraged it.

 

[Madhuri]

I am pro-vaccination. I've never seen one of my Rabbinical leaders come out against it and I've seen many that encouraged it.

Do you think that this is a moral contradiction on religious grounds? I don't mean the idea of vaccines themselves, but using a product that contains cells from aborted fetuses?

I would like to state here that I don't think that many people are aware that vaccines contain these ingredients.

 

[Tumah]

Do you think that this is a moral contradiction on religious grounds? I don't mean the idea of vaccines themselves, but using a product that contains cells from aborted fetuses?

I would like to state here that I don't think that many people are aware that vaccines contain these ingredients.

I am not a Rabbi. So I couldn't tell you for sure. But as I see it, the question is whether one may derive benefit from fetal tissue. There is no Biblical or Rabbinical prohibition in this. There is a prohibition to abort, there is no prohibition to be aborted. So there's no difference between an aborted fetus and any other cadaver. The other question might be whether one can process cadavers in order to make the vaccine. But I don't think non-Jews are prohibited from processing cadavers according to Jewish Law. So the actual vaccine was created in a permissible manner.

On the other hand, when it comes to health, a lot of otherwise prohibited actions become permissible. So I guess when all the checks are there, health trumps ideology.

 

[psychoslice]

For me personally having vaccinations is like playing Russian relet, you never know which is going to stuff your life up.

 

[Nietzsche]

I am against vaccinations, I myself only ever had one vaccination, being the polio vac, it caused me to have epileptic fits for 4 years, being nine to thirteen. I have developed schizophrenia which I believe had something to do with that vaccination.

Let's assume that there's a credible link between vaccinations and noticeable rises in various disorders(there isn't, but let's assume). Let's assume that it does it to 1 in 110 people(that's being extremely generous with the ratio in favour of your argument).

Polio, Hep A&B, whooping cough, all the stuff we have vaccinations for...will kill countless more without vaccinating than the honestly insignificant number it may hurt. I'm perfectly happy giving 1% of the population autism or what have you if it means the other 99% don't die of chicken pox or other easily prevented ailments because of people who don't understand herd immunity.

 

[psychoslice]

Let's assume that there's a credible link between vaccinations and noticeable rises in various disorders(there isn't, but let's assume). Let's assume that it does it to 1 in 110 people(that's being extremely generous with the ratio in favour of your argument).

Polio, Hep A&B, whooping cough, all the stuff we have vaccinations for...will kill countless more without vaccinating than the honestly insignificant number it may hurt. I'm perfectly happy giving 1% of the population autism or what have you if it means the other 99% don't die of chicken pox or other easily prevented ailments because of people who don't understand herd immunity.

Na, I cannot agree with that, vaccinations are bad, they have caused so much adverse affects, autism being just one of them, but the old FDA keeps it all secret from the ignorant population.

 

[Madhuri]

I've heard of the toxic additives used in vaccines that are generally considered highly dangerous to humans. But I've also heard vax-supporters argue that the levels of these additives aren't high enough to cause a problem. I'm honestly not sure what to think.

 

[psychoslice]

I've heard of the toxic additives used in vaccines that are generally considered highly dangerous to humans. But I've also heard vax-supporters argue that the levels of these additives aren't high enough to cause a problem. I'm honestly not sure what to think.

Well of course that's what they want you to believe.

 

[Nietzsche]

Na, I cannot agree with that, vaccinations are bad, they have caused so much adverse affects, autism being just one of them, but the old FDA keeps it all secret from the ignorant population.

I think your tinfoil is on too tight.

I've heard of the toxic additives used in vaccines that are generally considered highly dangerous to humans. But I've also heard vax-supporters argue that the levels of these additives aren't high enough to cause a problem. I'm honestly not sure what to think.

There's tons of terrible things in some vaccines, no doubt. But there isn't remotely enough to bother 99% of the population. Let's use arsenic as an example. You encounter more arsenic in day-to-day life than what is in hundreds of vaccinations.

All substances are harmless in a small enough dose, even the most dangerous. Some are even beneficial at a small enough dose. But all substances are fatal, literally all of them, if they're in high enough concentrations. Oxygen, hydrogen, other such things will kill you if there's enough.

 

[Madhuri]

Well of course that's what they want you to believe.

Hmmm, but wwhhhhyyyy? What would be the point?

 

[Madhuri]

There's tons of terrible things in some vaccines, no doubt. But there isn't remotely enough to bother 99% of the population. Let's use arsenic as an example. You encounter more arsenic in day-to-day life than what is in hundreds of vaccinations.

All substances are harmless in a small enough dose, even the most dangerous. Some are even beneficial at a small enough dose. But all substances are fatal, literally all of them, if they're in high enough concentrations. Oxygen, hydrogen, other such things will kill you if there's enough.

Are the dangerous additives, even in small doses, actually necessary for vaccines? I mean you've said there's no link been made officially between vaccination and the harmful consequences. But there are SO MANY people who have said that they have themselves experienced the negative consequences or witnessed it in their own children. I'd be surprised if there isn't a number of the population allergic to ingredients used. So I guess my question is are those ingredients actually vital.

 

[psychoslice]

Hmmm, but wwhhhhyyyy? What would be the point?

fear, fear of their children contracting a disease, and that is all it is...........the thing is the children are becoming more sick with all this crap that's been injected into their system.

 

[Madhuri]

fear, fear of their children contracting a disease, and that is all it is...........the thing is the children are becoming more sick with all this crap that's been injected into their system.

But surely you can't deny that the administration vaccination has eradicated many life threatening diseases that would be far more harmful to our children?

 

[psychoslice]

But surely you can't deny that the administration vaccination has eradicated many life threatening diseases that would be far more harmful to our children?

Yes I can deny that, many diseases were on their way out, when the actual vaccination came to be, and for that reason they took the credit, its that simple.

 

[Flankerl]

That's the drawback of a good vaccination policy, all the stupid people get to live.

But there are SO MANY people who have said that they have themselves experienced the negative consequences or witnessed it in their own children

There are also many people who claim to have been abducted by Aliens.

Yes I can deny that, many diseases were on their way out, when the actual vaccination came to be, and for that reason they took the credit, its that simple.

Yes Polio, Tetanus, Meningitis or Hepatitis thought to themselves "well I had a good run for a few millennia, I think I'll stop for now and come back in about 60 years".

Because that's how diseases work.

 

[psychoslice]

That's the drawback of a good vaccination policy, all the stupid people get to live.





There are also many people who claim to have been abducted by Aliens.





Yes Polio, Tetanus, Meningitis or Hepatitis thought to themselves "well I had a good run for a few millennia, I think I'll stop for now and come back in about 60 years".

Because that's how diseases work.

Are you stupid, you have no ides at all do you ????.

 

[Flankerl]

Are you stupid, you have no ides at all do you ????.

Yeah yeah I know FEMA is building Death Camps, public education is communism, Vaccination is a plot to insert microchips or diseases into our kids and the Democrats are reptilians.

If you don't "believe in vaccination"(that's already way too retarded to actually write down) then don't take your tetanus shot, cut yourself on a nice rusty nail and well... let nature sort it out.


Oh and I am a chemist(MSc) currently part of a research group about ECM, so yeah I most probably know more about something like this than you.

 

[psychoslice]

Yeah yeah I know FEMA is building Death Camps, public education is communism, Vaccination is a plot to insert microchips or diseases into our kids and the Democrats are reptilians.

If you don't "believe in vaccination"(that's already way too retarded to actually write down) then don't take your tetanus shot, cut yourself on a nice rusty nail and well... let nature sort it out.

Well that's you opinion , it means nothing to me, I have been hurt by your crap you call vaccines, have you ????.