Vague, Ill-Defined, or Loaded Terms in Discussions

[Revoltingest]

This is why I tend to prefer using invented words. Without the scourge of common usage to muddy them, they can only ever mean precisely what I intend for them to mean. That seemed to me to be the most crostalicious way to handle the problem.

It's crotchelfesters like yuz who merdle the frumister!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It's crotchelfesters like yuz who merdle the frumister!

Why, thank you my fellow fleckwizzler.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why, thank you my fellow fleckwizzler.

I have never wizzled a fleck!
Turzzled one a couple times though...right in the foomer.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It is really not about the words. It is about the idea that there are correct. proper definitions for words.
Now sometimes they are ill-defined. Other times it is about controlling the discourse by declaring there is only one definition for a word and a dictionary will do.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is really not about the words. It is about the idea that there are correct. proper definitions for words.
Now sometimes they are ill-defined. Other times it is about controlling the discourse by declaring there is only one definition for a word and a dictionary will do.

I notice that some use jargon in a manner difficult to discern
which of several definitions are used. There are so many
combinations possible that some posts say nothing.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I notice that some use jargon in a manner difficult to discern
which of several definitions are used. There are so many
combinations possible that some posts say nothing.

Well, yes. But for what say truth is, there is the common definition and then there are the technical ones. Just as with energy.

In short, sometimes an explanation is not even wrong, it is too simple. So the claim that there is one and only one kind of truth, is not even wrong. That goes for all of words about human behavior and includes science, reason, logic, evidence and a lot of other words.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thus words can mean anything, you bifurcated toaster.

No, it just means some ideas are too complex for a few words. They often have entries they don't actually define (such as masculine or feminine), and some that just aren't entirely accurate (such as how they usually credit communism to Marx which isn't an accurate or whole reflection of communism. What's a Protestant?

relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches.

That's an actual dictionary definition, it doesn't really describe it, and it's like using a little plastic tool meant for prying open cellphones when you need a crowbar.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it just means some ideas are too complex for a few words. They often have entries they don't actually define (such as masculine or feminine), and some that just aren't entirely accurate (such as how they usually credit communism to Marx which isn't an accurate or whole reflection of communism. What's a Protestant?

You haven't clarified your use of any of those words.
So I don't know what you're trying to say.

That's an actual dictionary definition, it doesn't really describe it, and it's like using a little plastic tool meant for prying open cellphones when you need a crowbar.

Dictionaries are all obsolete now.
Words are like taste...all individual.

I offer....
Capitalism - noun
An economic system wherein people are free to start
& run businesses with reasonable regulation to protect
life, limb, environment, & liberty (which includes freedom
from monopolies). With so little need for control of society,
its form of government is democratic. It's so productive
that it incorporates generous social services. People
thrive in an environment of free association, ie, relationships
cooperative & voluntary rather than coerced.
In short, capitalism is economic liberty, prosperity, peace,
cooperation, & social freedom.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You haven't clarified your use of any of those words.
So I don't know what you're trying to say.

Dictionaries are all obsolete now.
Words are like taste...all individual.

I offer....
Capitalism - noun
An economic system wherein people are free to start
& run businesses with reasonable regulation to protect
life, limb, environment, & liberty (which includes freedom
from monopolies). With so little need for control of society,
its form of government is democratic. It's so productive
that it incorporates generous social services. People
thrive in an environment of free association, ie, relationships
cooperative & voluntary rather than coerced.
In short, capitalism is economic liberty, prosperity, peace,
cooperation, & social freedom.

No, they are not. But they are not fixed as objective like say gravity.

So here is an example of 2 languages; Linear A and B. Linear A and Linear B | script We can only read one of them for its meaning.
The explanation is that the meaning of words as words is inter-subjective. I.e. you can't see the meaning, you understand it because you have learned that as a child through the psychological processes of mimicking behavior until becomes internalized as understanding.
Now that means that for all humans capable of learning that and actually undergoing the process, it is a process in time, over time in a culture, where they learn words including those who reflect the value system of that culture.
That is the basis. Do you have any questions so far?

 

[Revoltingest]

No, they are not. But they are not fixed as objective like say gravity.

So here is an example of 2 languages; Linear A and B. Linear A and Linear B | script We can only read one of them for its meaning.
The explanation is that the meaning of words as words is inter-subjective. I.e. you can't see the meaning, you understand it because you have learned that as a child through the psychological processes of mimicking behavior until becomes internalized as understanding.
Now that means that for all humans capable of learning that and actually undergoing the process, it is a process in time, over time in a culture, where they learn words including those who reflect the value system of that culture.
That is the basis. Do you have any questions so far?

You're off to a bad start.
Gravity doesn't even exist.

See what I did there?
I aped your style, ie, take a mischievous inference to bicker over.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You're off to a bad start.
Gravity doesn't even exist.

See what I did there?
I aped your style, ie, take a mischievous inference to bicker over.

Well, yes. And you are correct, exist is philosophy and has no property. So, yes, gravity doesn't exist. It is experienced and measured, but it doesn't exist. Good point, you made there.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, yes. And you are correct, exist is philosophy and has no property. So, yes, gravity doesn't exist. It is experienced and measured, but it doesn't exist. Good point, you made there.

Your post doesn't exit.
I read it anyway.
I want those 3 seconds of my life back.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Your post doesn't exit.
I read it anyway.
I want those 3 seconds of my life back.

They don't exist.

 

[Revoltingest]

They don't exist.

Then don't be so stingy with'm!

 

[Stevicus]

You haven't clarified your use of any of those words.
So I don't know what you're trying to say.

Dictionaries are all obsolete now.
Words are like taste...all individual.

I offer....
Capitalism - noun
An economic system wherein people are free to start
& run businesses with reasonable regulation to protect
life, limb, environment, & liberty (which includes freedom
from monopolies). With so little need for control of society,
its form of government is democratic. It's so productive
that it incorporates generous social services. People
thrive in an environment of free association, ie, relationships
cooperative & voluntary rather than coerced.
In short, capitalism is economic liberty, prosperity, peace,
cooperation, & social freedom.

Dictionaries are not obsolete, but they're not necessarily the final word either. Understanding the definitions of words is really just the starting point to actually using them and developing the ideas one wishes to convey.

Of course, words do have definitions, and I think most people use them in good faith most of the time. But it's not necessarily something that has to be etched into stone or enforced vigorously, such as by English teachers and rigid grammarians who come off like pettifogging martinets.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Then don't be so stingy with'm!

You really like your feelings. So do I. We just do them differently.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Dictionaries are not obsolete, but they're not necessarily the final word either. Understanding the definitions of words is really just the starting point to actually using them and developing the ideas one wishes to convey.

Of course, words do have definitions, and I think most people use them in good faith most of the time. But it's not necessarily something that has to be etched into stone or enforced vigorously, such as by English teachers and rigid grammarians who come off like pettifogging martinets.

Well, take truth. I can name at least 7 variants in a broad sense, but the google answer for truth meaning don't even come close.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dictionaries are not obsolete, but they're not necessarily the final word either. Understanding the definitions of words is really just the starting point to actually using them and developing the ideas one wishes to convey.

Of course, words do have definitions, and I think most people use them in good faith most of the time. But it's not necessarily something that has to be etched into stone or enforced vigorously, such as by English teachers and rigid grammarians who come off like pettifogging martinets.

Example...
Now "communism" allows private ownership of personal
property & even the means of production. It's no different
from "socialism" & "capitalism" except for connotations
& inferences, both of which vary with each speaker & each
listener.
To simplify the necessary qualifiers to describe what kind
of socialism & communism I usually address, I simply call
them "anti-capitalism". This handles the post dictionary
age....so far.
There are complexities that might rear their ugly heads,
but I'll try to avoid jumping that gun.

 

[Revoltingest]

You really like your feelings. So do I. We just do them differently.

There is no "we".

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is no "we".

And no the truth or the science or all of those claims to some sort of in effect unity.