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Vance opines on a grim 'Fact of Life' in the wake of the Georgia shootings

Pogo

Pogo

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Shadow Wolf said:
Two issues with that.
One is the article did not make a claim of no empathy but less empathy. This in no way can mean psychothy as this would mean most men are psychopaths as they typically are not as empathetic as women.
Two even psychopaths can feel empathy (though it tends to be very restricted and very limited in who they feel for). This is why I said "impaired empathy." Which again does not inherently mean psychopath as empathy also tends to be impaired in certain ways in autism (like difficulty putting oneself in the shoes of another).
Who do we know? I've known some people properly assessed by a clinician. Other than that most people here have read I have very strong feelings against playing armchair shrink.
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Excuse my poor specificity in language, I exaggerated what I saw as his takeaway and not attempting to connect it with inability to feel empathy which I agree is a different thing.
 
Pogo

Pogo

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crossfire said:
Does not correlate to death rate from firearms at all.
www.pewresearch.org

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
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It is not psychopaths that are most dangerous with guns, it is family members and depression.
This is well known, but finding someone to blame even if it is not true is convenient.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
crossfire said:
Does not correlate to death rate from firearms at all.
www.pewresearch.org

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
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I'm sure it looks good to you , but I'm referring to death by mass shooter psychopaths in respective states.

A person with empathy would undoubtedly have a difficult time killing people in mass.

For overall deaths , it seems cars still top the list over firearms depending of course on how it's viewed.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Shadow Wolf said:
And yet you keep claiming kids today are more psychopathic than in times past yet the link you posted does not support that amd your claim does not stand when we consider most serial killers were born during the 50s and 60s, with the worst mostly coming from the 40s.
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They are more psychopathic. Kids in the past are nowhere near the level of psychopathy that we are seeing today with modern day generations.
 
crossfire

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
The map already tells you that information that we are not the only country with a high rate of psychopathy within each respective borders. I think you would also be interested in knowing that democrat-controlled states have the most psychopaths in our nation.

bigthink.com

Here are the U.S. states with the highest prevalence of psychopaths

A recent study used data from the Big Five personality to estimate psychopathy prevalence in the 48 contiguous states and Washington, D.C.
bigthink.com bigthink.com
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Read the key takeaways. These are indirect speculative guestimations based upon survey results from the Big Five personality traits model. Go take the Big Five test and see what kind of questions they ask, then think about whether the questions and answers would be a reliable way to diagnose psychopathy. Read through the speculative gyrations they go through to come up with a profile for psychopathy based on their model. They are basing their speculations on a combination of specific ranges of each of the generalized five personality traits. I would give this about the same amount of credence as astrologers who might claim that ADHD is caused by Mercury retrograde being sesquequadrate to the south lunar node.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
crossfire said:
Read the key takeaways. These are indirect speculative guestimations based upon survey results from the Big Five personality traits model. Go take the Big Five test and see what kind of questions they ask, then think about whether the questions and answers would be a reliable way to diagnose psychopathy.
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I'd rather look at the reality around me.
 
TLK Valentine

TLK Valentine

Read the books that others would burn.
Twilight Hue said:
Probably because the left is always blaming firearms when the real problem is something else.

I think you're old enough to acknowledge that these problems just didn't exist in the past, and firearms laws and regulations were even less oppressive then as opposed to today.

Hell back then you could have your rifles on a gun rack in the window of your pickup truck in the school parking lot without any worries or care.

No the guns were never the problem. Something else is.
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Let's assume that's true - how then do we find this "something else"?
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, personally I think we're off to a good start by prosecuting the father, a family member who gave complete access to his son for weapons. I only wish so many family members aren't already killed before we can prosecute them.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
Depends on the character and fortitude of the person.

A mass shooting is essentially a combat situation.
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IMO it has another very important component: it is a collapse of the social contract, specifically the part of it that ensures a measure of physical safety for people in most situations.

And seeing it treated as an unavoidable hazard from nature furthers that perception.
 
Pogo

Pogo

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Kathryn said:
Well, personally I think we're off to a good start by prosecuting the father, a family member who gave complete access to his son for weapons. I only wish so many family members aren't already killed before we can prosecute them.
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No, you are making a statement about the exception and not addressing why this exception happened.
 
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