Vedas modified ?

[alishan]

do hindou think that vedas was modified by men during the history?

if yes when ? thanks

 

[Gaura Priya]

I don't think any Hindu will ever believe that the Vedas have been modified! I would be utterly surprised if that was the case!

 

[Riverwolf]

Well, I don't believe that they were written all at once, and the same hymn can appear in different recessions with slight variations, so it's likely.

I don't think any Hindu will ever believe that the Vedas have been modified! I would be utterly surprised if that was the case!

Surprised? ^_^

 

[TTCUSM]

Well, I don't believe that they were written all at once, and the same hymn can appear in different recessions with slight variations, so it's likely.

Riverwolf,

Please keep in mind that this is ancient India that we're referring to here. There were no cell phones, internet, television, or other forms of mass communication.

In order for someone to have added a verse to the Vedas, they would have had to go to all the ashramas where the Vedas were taught, told the teachers that a new verse had been added, and then told all the Brahmanas who had graduated from the ashramas about the new verse.

 

[Riverwolf]

Riverwolf,

Please keep in mind that this is ancient India that we're referring to here. There were no cell phones, internet, television, or other forms of mass communication.

In order for someone to have added a verse to the Vedas, they would have had to go to all the ashramas where the Vedas were taught, told the teachers that a new verse had been added, and then told all the Brahmanas who had graduated from the ashramas about the new verse.

Why? Wouldn't the reason we have different recessions of the same Veda be because different poets didn't do that?

 

[alishan]

i mean if we take the vedas we have today and if we take the vedas for example in 1500 bc and vedas 400 bc and vedas 600 before JC

would we have difference ? only by the form and the letter

thanks.

 

[K.Venugopal]

Isn't it true that the Vedas we have were all collected, collated and compiled by Vyasa? Has there been any substantial scholarship to testify that the Vedas have been tampered with subsequent to Vyasa's compilation? Probably no scripture in history has been so zealously guarded by its adherents over so long a period to maintain the purity of even its diction, let alone its verses. Also, the mark of excellence of the greatest of religious teachers used to be in their having written a commentary on the Vedas. When even writing a commentary on the Vedas was considered such an accomplishment, it is unlikely that it would have even crossed anyone's mind to tamper with the Vedas.

The Vedas and its auxiliary writings constitute so huge a corpus that the common Hindu is somewhat vague about its contents. A handy booklet on the contents of the Vedas would be useful. Is there any such available on the net? Please inform.

 

[Breathe]

I don't think any Hindu will ever believe that the Vedas have been modified! I would be utterly surprised if that was the case!

This.

The only thing that, IMHO, has been modified about the Vedas is the alphabet; from Brāhmī to Devanāgarī - and that's not a modification, as such. The content is still the same.

Why do I think this?

In times long gone, people would remember the Vedas through chanting.

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My $0.02.

 

[Onkara]

Perhaps it is just me, however there is an underlying assumption that change is not good or would some how make the Vedas inferior. In my opinion that is academic as what "modification" would need to first be defined and it starts to miss the fundamental message of the Vedas.

My stance is that the Vedas lead to the highest truth, like a man with an axe they chop away bit by bit at us, from lots of different angles until the tree finally falls and the light of truth shines through.

Truth is not limited or bound by words or translation. The fundamental meaning is there in English and Sanskrit regardless. The Truth of the Vedas is deeper than words; they lead to a profound realisation at our core being. Words are pointers to that Truth. The Vedas lead to That.

 

[alishan]

onkara

yes but vedas are message from God from the sky so if you change it do you think that the person that change need an autorisation from God or can he by his own brain change it?

that 's the problem of changing a divine message. no?

 

[alishan]

The only thing that, IMHO, has been modified about the Vedas is the alphabet; from Brāhmī to Devanāgarī - and that's not a modification, as such. The content is still the same.

can you give us an example ? for people don t speak hindi a little difficult to understand

thanks

 

[Breathe]

can you give us an example ? for people don t speak hindi a little difficult to understand

thanks

Just a different alphabet.

From this style of writing:

To this style of writing:
त॑म् इदं॑ नि॑गतं स॑हः स॑ एष॑ ए॑क ए॑कवृ॑द् ए॑क एव॑॥


However, the same thing is written, in the same language.


It's like how Arabic was originally written in the Nabataean abjad, and now with the Arabic abjad.

Nabataean:

Arabic:

 

[Jainarayan]

There seems to have been a danger of the Vedas changing:

The impetus for linguistic analysis and grammar in India originates in the need to be able to obtain a strict interpretation of the Vedic texts.

 

[Onkara]

onkara

yes but vedas are message from God from the sky so if you change it do you think that the person that change need an autorisation from God or can he by his own brain change it?

that 's the problem of changing a divine message. no?

Hi Alishan
No, God isn't limited to the sky in Hinduism.

My understanding is that there is no single origin of the Vedas i.e.

In Hinduism, Apaurusheyatva (IAST: Apauruṣeya), Sanskrit, "being unauthored", is used to describe the Vedas, the main scripture in Hinduism. This implies that the Vedas are not authored by any agency, be it human or divine. Apaurusheya shabda ("unauthored word") is an extension of apaurusheya which refers to the Vedas.

 

[Gaura Priya]

My traditional understanding is that the way the original Veda came about is that they were vibrated transcendentally into the heart by the four sages. In actuality, the Vedas were the subconscious inspirations from God Himself that are the eternal truths of the Lord, revealed in the heart, and then recited into reality.

"That creation of words revolutionising the sins of the people in which, although imperfectly composed, each verse depicts the names and glories of the unlimited Lord, is heard, sung and accepted by the purified and honest."

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.11

 

[alishan]

in islam also God is not in the sky

i just mean that changement can be good but who can change? because the divine message are very subtil and like say gora priya it s inspiration from God

so it s not everybody that can change a religious book

don t you think?

 

[Riverwolf]

onkara

yes but vedas are message from God from the sky so if you change it do you think that the person that change need an autorisation from God or can he by his own brain change it?

that 's the problem of changing a divine message. no?

Not all of us believe that God literally dictated the Vedas to various Sages, and I don't think anyone believes that God from the sky did so.

I believe that the Sages had experiences, and recorded them in the Vedas.

 

[Jainarayan]

I believe that the Sages had experiences, and recorded them in the Vedas.

^ This. :yes:

 

[Riverwolf]

Isn't it true that the Vedas we have were all collected, collated and compiled by Vyasa? Has there been any substantial scholarship to testify that the Vedas have been tampered with subsequent to Vyasa's compilation? Probably no scripture in history has been so zealously guarded by its adherents over so long a period to maintain the purity of even its diction, let alone its verses. Also, the mark of excellence of the greatest of religious teachers used to be in their having written a commentary on the Vedas. When even writing a commentary on the Vedas was considered such an accomplishment, it is unlikely that it would have even crossed anyone's mind to tamper with the Vedas.

And yet we have several different recessions of the same Veda. How else, other than local modifications, can we account for this?

 

[K.Venugopal]

And yet we have several different recessions of the same Veda. How else, other than local modifications, can we account for this?

What exactly do you mean by the word 'recession' in this context?