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Vegetarians and Vegans (and perhaps omnivores): A Poll

Would you eat laboratory cultured meats?

  • Vegan/Vegetarian - Perhaps Sparingly

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Omnivore - No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Omnivore - Perhaps Sparingly

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    23

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
http://washingtontimes.com/business/20050815-101639-7678r.htm

Researchers are dishing up the perfect conundrum for vegetarians -- meat grown in a laboratory dish, not on the hoof.
While it may be years before laboratory-raised meat hits your store shelf, researchers say the technology exists now to produce processed meats such as burgers and sausages, starting with cells taken from a cow, chicken, pig, fish or other animal.
Growing meat without the animal would have a number of advantages. It would reduce the need for the animals -- which often are raised in less than ideal conditions. Meat production is also blamed for a variety of environmental ills. And cultured meat also could be tailored to be healthier than farm-raised meat, while satisfying the increasing demand for protein by the world's growing population, proponents say.
Brian J. Ford, a British biologist and the author of "The Future of Food," said the widespread acceptance of meat substitutes such as "quorn," a cultured fungus, "shows that the time for cultured tissue is near."
Techniques for engineering muscle cells and other tissues were first developed for medical use. Now a handful of researchers are looking into growing edible muscle cells, said Jason Matheny, a University of Maryland doctoral student who co-authored a paper on in-vitro meat techniques.
Industrializing the process could involve growing muscle cells on large sheets or beads suspended in a growth medium. The sheet would have to be stretched, or the beads would have to be able to expand, to stretch the cells and provide the exercise needed for the cells to develop, he said.
"If you didn't stretch them, you would be eating mush. It would be like pink-colored Jell-O," Mr. Matheny said.
Once the cells have grown enough, they could be scraped off and packaged. If edible sheets or beads are used, all of it could be eaten.
"The technology is there to produce something like a processed meat; you could produce a heavily processed chicken meat just like, perhaps, a nugget," Mr. Matheny said.
"The technology to produce something like a steak or chicken breast is still quite a ways off, there's a lot of technological challenge to producing something that has a structure to it."
Growing a steak, for example, requires more than just muscle cells. Blood vessels, fat and connective tissue would also have to be grown. If too many muscle cells grow on top of each other, for example, the cells on the inside of the muscle mass will no longer be exposed to the nutrients in the growth medium and will die, Mr. Matheny said.
In June, researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology said they had taken a step toward solving that problem.

The researchers, studying the creation of replacement parts for humans, said they used a mix of cells to grow muscle tissue that had its own blood vessels.
The human tissue was implanted into mice where they watched blood flow into the engineered muscle.
Touro College bio-engineer Morris Benjaminson said fish-muscle cells cultured at his laboratory for NASA passed a "sniff panel," and he thinks seafood might be the first to be laboratory cultured.
"We actually did cook the fish meat we grew," Mr. Benjaminson said. "It looked, according to them, and smelled like the fish you can buy in the supermarket."
However, the panel did not eat the cultured meat, he said.
While growing meat in a dish now is too expensive for anything but space travel, Mr. Benjaminson thinks it is feasible to one day produce a cheaper, tastier, fishless-stick.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Definately. I'm trying to cut down on meat now, but I keep getting to worst cravings for bloody steak... :(
 

Fluffy

A fool
Yup definitely. I think that it would it would free up so much pastoral land and that alone would be worth it. Just think of the impact that might have on desertification, overpopulation and greenbelts! I really hope this takes off. Very exciting indeed.
 

Aqualung

Tasty
i just love meat. Any question starting in "will you eat meat" will definitely be a yes. And I definitely agree with what fluffy said.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
I'm all for it. I fear a lot of my eating habits tend to stem from a need for protein (okay, okay... fox and tiger like to be fed meat, too.)
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
This reminds me abit of the time when I went to the dentist; after his usual mutterings about the state of my teeth, he asked if I still had sugar in my beverages. I said "Trying to cut it down." to which he said "Don't cut it down; just cut it out".

Ok if I am out, I'll have sugar in coffee as a treat, but I never have it at home.

Sounds like the same kind of argument to me; we are going to be replacing meat from an animal with 'cloned' meat; why not just give it up, altogether ? If you put your mind to it, most people can give anything up.:)
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
it isn't really cloned meat... it is a cultured meat. NO cloning involved.

I'll certenly give it a try when/if it comes out. No worries about BSE, E-choli and what not... no need to worry about how the animal was treated... just lab condtions (which can be spookie enough) :cool:

I don't think I'll completely abandon 'on the hoof' meat however.

wa:do
 

huajiro

Well-Known Member
Actually, I voted before I read it. I said "yes"....now that I think about it...I am good with my wheat gluten.
 

Zephyr

Moved on
Yum, I love meat. As far as I'm concerned, crazy lab steak is as good as regular, as long as I get it pink and bleeding.

There is one big question though: Are pork chops without a pig still haraam?
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
I ask the same question, Huajiro. But then I realized the answer. With no brain or nervous system, they cannot feel pain. It is the same as a plant.

I don't know if I'd eat meat anyway. I'm growing to dislike it's taste and smell.
 

CaptainXeroid

Following Christ
Omnivore - Yes

Once you get it to the table, if I can't taste a difference, I would pick the form that does the least harm.
 

Fluffy

A fool
Sounds like the same kind of argument to me; we are going to be replacing meat from an animal with 'cloned' meat; why not just give it up, altogether ? If you put your mind to it, most people can give anything up.
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Because it is easier to have a balanced diet with meat in it simply because of its widespread availability. If meat was a rare product and was hard to come by then it would be too much hassle and there would be more alternatives. However, a vegetarian living in a meat eating world who says they have never had to go out of their way because of their eating habits is either lying or very lucky indeed. This removes the hassle completely :).

Edit: Oh yeah also, whilst I can see a benefit of everyone giving up meat completely, I think it is probably more realistic that everyone switched to this more new method at least at first.

Given that this procedure could assumedly grow human flesh, that human flesh is genetically very similar to other meats and that no human would have to be harmed in its production, would anyone here consider sampling such a delicacy?
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
Given that this procedure could assumedly grow human flesh, that human flesh is genetically very similar to other meats and that no human would have to be harmed in its production, would anyone here consider sampling such a delicacy?
I would if they could guarantee I wouldn't get the human equivalent of "Mad Cow Disease".

Wouldn't human meat be the best food for humans?
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
sign me up... I have no problems with canabalism. :D

human protien would be the easiest to digest... the body already knows what to do with it.
"Mad Cow" is a problem of spinal fluid and brain matter... not musscle mass. The issue with it in cows is how they are slaughtered by mass production facilities. sloppy work is dangerous work.

wa:do
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
painted wolf said:
sign me up... I have no problems with canabalism. :D

human protien would be the easiest to digest... the body already knows what to do with it.
"Mad Cow" is a problem of spinal fluid and brain matter... not musscle mass. The issue with it in cows is how they are slaughtered by mass production facilities. sloppy work is dangerous work.

wa:do
There is also a problem with using cow by-produsts in cattle feed PW . Although it is illegal to do so . Some ranchers will try to save a little money and feed their cattle chicken feed , or feed meant for other animals , which does have beef by-products in it . And that can transmit Mad Cow { the sinal fuild and such are eaten by the livestock } .

As for the test tube beef , I think that I would pass on it . Something rather sick about the idea of growing food like it was bacteria ... But that is only a hung-up , and once pass it , it may not be that bad ?
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
What's sick about it? The only difference is that it'd be growing in a dish instead of on an animal... speaking of which, I wonder if that'd make it taste different.
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Jensa said:
What's sick about it? The only difference is that it'd be growing in a dish instead of on an animal... QUOTE]

Yea , and that is what makes it sick . :) But as I said , that is MY hang-up , as I see it as unnatural .
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If it spares countless beings a short, miserable life and a cruel death I'd give it a provisional thumbs-up.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Give me meat; rare or well done! Give me sushi or cooked fish! Give me vegies, raw or cooked. Give me shellfish, pork, venison, camel, horse, possum, coon, snake, gator, avian, armadilo and most anything that grows on this good earth!!! :D
 
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