what is the religious resoning behind not eating meat? isnt killing a plant the same as killing an animal? at the end of the day, your still killing a life to eat, whether its a plant or an animal?
p.s. i understand that there are non religious reasons for not eating meat but im curious about the logic behind religious requirements of not eating meat.
It takes lots more grain to feed an animal for meat than it does just eating the veg. You grow the veg, you feed lots to the animal for the meat, you get the meat. Wasteful in comparison.
if you really break it down to a cellular level, one can argue that plant cells are actually more comlex than animal cells because they have everything that animal cells have plus chloroplasts and a cell wall (which animal cells lack). but why would the complexity of an organism stop someone from killing it? what is the logic behind it?
there are a lot of misconceptions regarding diet and health. the best diet is one that includes proper amounts of carbs, proteins, fat, minerals, vitamins and water. for some reason todays society tends to associate eating meat with being unhealthy. i dont think meat is unhealthy, i think the way meat is eaten today is unhealthy (fast food restaurants, fried foods, excessive amounts of oil, excessive salt and sugars, etc.) but meat if eaten in the right amounts and prepared in a healthy way can be good for health.
there are a lot of misconceptions regarding diet and health. the best diet is one that includes proper amounts of carbs, proteins, fat, minerals, vitamins and water. for some reason todays society tends to associate eating meat with being unhealthy. i dont think meat is unhealthy, i think the way meat is eaten today is unhealthy (fast food restaurants, fried foods, excessive amounts of oil, excessive salt and sugars, etc.) but meat if eaten in the right amounts and prepared in a healthy way can be good for health.
It takes lots more grain to feed an animal for meat than it does just eating the veg. You grow the veg, you feed lots to the animal for the meat, you get the meat. Wasteful in comparison.
i dont think anyone can claim what is less cruel unless you are a plant or animal. in islam the animal is supposed to be killed by slitting the throat in such a way that the main nerve running through the neck is severed and thus the animal loses its pain sensation during the process.
wasteful? many cultures rely on animals for almost every basic need. for example: certain groups of native americans in north america kill buffalo and utilize every part of the animal. the meat is eaten, the fur is used for clothing, the hide is used to make shelter, the bones are used to make tools, even the gut lining had been used to make threads and in some cases surgical sutures. sounds pretty economical to me
i dont think anyone can claim what is less cruel unless you are a plant or animal. in islam the animal is supposed to be killed by slitting the throat in such a way that the main nerve running through the neck is severed and thus the animal loses its pain sensation during the process.
wasteful? many cultures rely on animals for almost every basic need. for example: certain groups of native americans in north america kill buffalo and utilize every part of the animal. the meat is eaten, the fur is used for clothing, the hide is used to make shelter, the bones are used to make tools, even the gut lining had been used to make threads and in some cases surgical sutures. sounds pretty economical to me
Yes, there is culture to consider. I wouldn't impose my vegetarianism on Inuit, for example. Their diet is based on fish and seal for obvious reasons. Vegetarianism in Europe (and other 'developed' nations) is usually different. Here, it is more of a protest against the practice of intensive factory farming.
If you're interested in more views, there are a few threads and groups here relating to vegetarianism (but I don't have time at the moment to search out the links for you. I'll try later).
Which is a barbaric and violent practise and the reason that when I have eaten meat I have utterly refused to eat anything that is halal or kosher or at any halal eating establishments.
in such a way that the main nerve running through the neck is severed and thus the animal loses its pain sensation during the process.
I don't think you can claim that they lose their pain sensation during the process unless you are on the receiving end, as you said to me about the plants.
wasteful? many cultures rely on animals for almost every basic need. for example: certain groups of native americans in north america kill buffalo and utilize every part of the animal. the meat is eaten, the fur is used for clothing, the hide is used to make shelter, the bones are used to make tools, even the gut lining had been used to make threads and in some cases surgical sutures. sounds pretty economical to me
i understand that the plant doesnt have to be killed if one wants to eat it, but then again there are animal parts that can be cut off without killing the animal. for example lizards, newts, salamanders, sea stars, conch, skinks, certain types of mice, certain worms, crayfish, zebrafish all have to ability to regenerate certain body parts if they are cut off. so why then cant one eat those parts of the animal?
i understand that the plant doesnt have to be killed if one wants to eat it, but then again there are animal parts that can be cut off without killing the animal. for example lizards, newts, salamanders, sea stars, conch, skinks, certain types of mice, certain worms, crayfish, zebrafish all have to ability to regenerate certain body parts if they are cut off. so why then cant one eat those parts of the animal?
Which is a barbaric and violent practise and the reason that when I have eaten meat I have utterly refused to eat anything that is halal or kosher or at any halal eating establishments.
I don't think you can claim that they lose their pain sensation during the process unless you are on the receiving end, as you said to me about the plants.
Yeah, this style doesn't really bother me so much--but do you do that?
how can u say that by studying them we can tell which method is more cruel but at the same time claim that we cant know if thy lose their pain sensation or not. its a known fact that if the cervical nerves are severed, the brains ability to receive sensory information from the rest of the body is lost and thus the pain sensation along with it.
no i personally do not use every part of the animal and neither does most of society, but is that the religious reasoning behind being a vegetarian? that people dont use the entire animal?
as for the point about kosher/halal meats being killed in a barbaric way, i think thats subjective and depends on everyones own personal views. i personally dont think its barbaric if the animal doesnt feel the pain
lol, i wouldnt mind trying a few of those things on the list. but the rest i would stay away from, i can understand if a person is a vegetarian because of taste preferences or if they have medical conditions or even financial reasons and what not, but im trying to understand what the different religious explanations for being a vegetarian are.
how can u say that by studying them we can tell which method is more cruel but at the same time claim that we cant know if thy lose their pain sensation or not.
No, I said you can't know that dhabihah stops pain receptors unless you're on the receiving end.
its a known fact that if the cervical nerves are severed, the brains ability to receive sensory information from the rest of the body is lost and thus the pain sensation along with it.
Plus, can you understand how horrifying, how scary it must be for an animal to have their throat slit whilst they are conscious, since halal animals are not stunned prior to this?
no i personally do not use every part of the animal and neither does most of society, but is that the religious reasoning behind being a vegetarian? that people dont use the entire animal?
No, it's not. I'm not giving you the religious reasoning behind being a vegetarian, though, because you have not asked for it and nor is it necessary, and nor would you agree with it. I am speaking from a secular view, and I don't think eating meat is really a religious issue, as there are many nonreligious vegetarians.
as for the point about kosher/halal meats being killed in a barbaric way, i think thats subjective and depends on everyones own personal views. i personally dont think its barbaric if the animal doesnt feel the pain
The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), in 2003, decreed that these methods are cruel and it can take up to two minutes for an animal to bleed to death, which amounts to animal abuse.
"This is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous," said FAWC chairwoman, Dr Judy MacArthur Clark. - 2003 BBC News
If you want to see how it's done, from an undercover abattoir, click below and watch:
what is the resoning behind not eating meat? isnt killing a plant the same as killing an animal? at the end of the day, your still killing a life to eat, whether its a plant or an animal?
How are animals anything like plants?
Like humans, animals experience pain, relationships and emotions. They are conscious creatures. Plants are completely different.
Being a vegetarian, for me, is a moral decision. I choose to live a lifestyle that minimises the amount of suffering I am responsible for inflicting in this world. I choose not to be responsible for the horrors that animals experience constantly as I also try to minimise the amount of suffering I inflict on human beings.
Plus, can you understand how horrifying, how scary it must be for an animal to have their throat slit whilst they are conscious, since halal animals are not stunned prior to this?
No, it's not. I'm not giving you the religious reasoning behind being a vegetarian, though, because you have not asked for it and nor is it necessary, and nor would you agree with it. I am speaking from a secular view, and I don't think eating meat is really a religious issue, as there are many nonreligious vegetarians.
i understand eating meat is not necessarily a religious issue. but there are people who claim to be vegetarian for religious purposes and im trying to find the logic in their religious reasoning
The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), in 2003, decreed that these methods are cruel and it can take up to two minutes for an animal to bleed to death, which amounts to animal abuse.
"This is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous," said FAWC chairwoman, Dr Judy MacArthur Clark. - 2003 BBC News
If you want to see how it's done, from an undercover abattoir, click below and watch:
what about people who eat meat because they have no other option. for example, as someone stated earlier, the inuit. they eat meat because plant life is very scarce in their environment. they still have to kill animals, is that not cruel according to what your saying? they may not use the same methods as kosher/halal methods, but never the less im sure the animal will still be scared and horrified
