Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
I am just a small town guy, so will keep my head down, also skip over these lines of yours!मैत्रावरुणिः;3472897 said:
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Views of the Puranas
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Sumit
Sanatana Dharma
Itihasas {Ramayana and Mahabharata} are based on true incidences.
For Puranas earlier I believed that they are just filled with mythical stories but now I think that Puranas are coded scripture with some real incidences.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Fine by me, brother!
Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Well, the Hare Krishnas are not Vedic...so, I, nor anyone, can really expect them to abide by the Laws of Rta (Lord Shri Varuna) and Satya (Lord Shri Mitra).
ps - Did you read what they called Urvasi?
Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
Bad, too bad. And it is not only to do with HK's, has got plenty to do with PurANas, the sources they quoted.मैत्रावरुणिः;3476063 said:
umHmm
If Vedic Gods have met such tragic fate at their hands, then better not speak of "regular citizens" of other lokAs.
Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
HK is not Vedic becoz they are HK. GV is not Vedic becoz GV is GV. Vedic is Vedic becoz it is Vedic, and it is a full time job:bow:
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Well, my post came off completely in a negative light, didn't it? I didn't mean to insult the Hare Krishnas and other Krishna Bhaktas.
They aren't Vedic because they view Lord Shri Mitra and Lord Shri Varuna as "demigods". The mere concept of "demigods" is non-existant in the Shri Rig Veda: all the Shri 33 are equal, none is greater than the other for all Shri 33 are greater than all that is. Also, the concept of Brahmān is non-existant (as far as I know) in the Shri Rig Veda (along with Sama and Yajur); there are two Laws of precedence: Satya and Rta - the former is Lord Shri Mitra and the latter is Lord Shri Varuna (who, by the way, is not even the "Lord/God of the Seas" as per Rig Vedic injunction).
Not only Gaudiyas, but the vast majority of Vaishnavas, Shaivas, Shaktas, etc. etc. are not "Vedic" in its strictest sense.
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Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
But they come from Vedic ancestry. I am not saying that they have retained the Vedic names, and terms, but the soul is the same. So calling them Vedic in this sense is not wrong IMO.मैत्रावरुणिः;3476119 said:
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
I don't mean to divert the topic of the OP any more than I already have, but it isn't wrong to call them Vedic. Hey, they still offer salutations to the fire through diya-bati. That's why I said in the strictest sense, not many can be considered "Vedic". It's nothing important.
But, coming back the Puranas: I admire the scholarly work, though. For too often we concentrate on what is inside the works as in metaphors, literary occurrences, myths, etc. But, we never really acknowledge the wonderful Sanskrit that they are written in - which should be a source of pride. In my opinion, Classical Sanskrit has been immortalized in the Puranas.
Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
I gAt it. Cool.:yes:
Yes, their contribution to Sanskrit is no mean achievement in itself. Salutes!
Yes, their contribution to Sanskrit is no mean achievement in itself. Salutes!
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
I mean, just imagine all that Sanskrit that was utilized when the Puranas were being written. The prose of that Sanskrit. The essence of the Sanskrit and all that other jazz. Many times, I am too quick to dismiss the Puranas as a whole when I should step back and admire what is at face value: its composition.
Maya3
Well-Known Member
I could not agree more. These stories are mythological and meant as a way to explain the world as an allegory. That is great, but it should be taught as such.
We will loose people by the droves if we cannot connect our religion to science.
Hinduism is unique in not contradicting science as far as I know, there may be other religions as well.
Maya
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Namaste, Maya:
In fact, there is no rule that says that these Puranas are to be taken seriously and at the same time there is no rule that says that they are to be taken allegorically or metaphorically.
It differs from sect to sect, bhakta to bhakta.
The cool thing, though, out of all of this, is that the "egg origin" story of the universe found in Hinduism is the closest thing to the Big Bang in science. Also, science and Hinduism can, on many grounds, go hand in hand. In fact, many Hindus flood the workforce of Nasa. Hehehe. Funny, right?
Many secularists in the world (especially the ones in the West), and many atheists and agnostics usually "attack" the Abrahamic religions. They see those religions as a hindrance to the development of science. But, Hinduism is never really seen by the imminent scientists in the West as a hindrance. In my opinion, one can find science in Hinduism and Hinduism even in science.
In fact, there is no rule that says that these Puranas are to be taken seriously and at the same time there is no rule that says that they are to be taken allegorically or metaphorically.
It differs from sect to sect, bhakta to bhakta.
The cool thing, though, out of all of this, is that the "egg origin" story of the universe found in Hinduism is the closest thing to the Big Bang in science. Also, science and Hinduism can, on many grounds, go hand in hand. In fact, many Hindus flood the workforce of Nasa. Hehehe. Funny, right?
Many secularists in the world (especially the ones in the West), and many atheists and agnostics usually "attack" the Abrahamic religions. They see those religions as a hindrance to the development of science. But, Hinduism is never really seen by the imminent scientists in the West as a hindrance. In my opinion, one can find science in Hinduism and Hinduism even in science.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
मैत्रावरुणिः;3476657 said:
jai jai , .... and yes of course hindus are more than capable to do this work as they have been brought up with a mind that looks at the amazing structure of this universe and its interconectedness ....
'' In my opinion, one can find science in Hinduism '' with this I can agree entirely , but not sure that I can look at it the other way around ....'' and Hinduism even in science.'' ....unless they are prepaired to look at the possibility of a grand cosmic plan ....therefoer an originator of that plan , ....in which case they would then marvel at its brilliance rather than treat it as a random occurance .
Ha ha , .. but some day they will discover something which they canot egnore , ...
imagine the day when science in unison agrees that we are but humble servants of the lord :bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:
Children are smart. It puts a religion teacher in a real spot when they have to go against the children's parents. I found it very difficult to impress upon my kids the concepts like ahimsa, existence of the Gods, and vegetarianism, let alone try to teach them that some of these events in the Puranas actually happened. All you get is, "Daddy, that makes no sense." Maybe it's because we've move on in educational circles and kids are now taught to think for themselves, rather than just regurgitate 'facts '. Once that happens (thinking for yourself) we have a problem in many religions where the books are supposedly literal history.
We read Amar Chitra Katha to our kids, and then when they said "That's stupid, Daddy." I replied, "Ahh.. but there might be a lesson in there somewhere, and then we could have a discussion."
I think the results of this are rather obvious, seen in religious retention rates, not just in SD, but elsewhere as well.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Vinayaka,
There was an ibook for sale on Itunes: Mahabharata-Amar Chitra Katha Comic for sale last year. It had all the (30 or 40 Mahabharata comics) comics as one single chitra-katha for an awesome price of $30.00. I bought it as soon as I laid my eyes upon it. It's a wonderful treat to have, because when you are waiting at an airport lounge on your way to India, you could just read the comic on your iPhone. Also, they had a few Shaiva and Murugan chitra-kathas by Amar Chitra Katha on sale which I should have bought but they are no longer available.
There was an ibook for sale on Itunes: Mahabharata-Amar Chitra Katha Comic for sale last year. It had all the (30 or 40 Mahabharata comics) comics as one single chitra-katha for an awesome price of $30.00. I bought it as soon as I laid my eyes upon it. It's a wonderful treat to have, because when you are waiting at an airport lounge on your way to India, you could just read the comic on your iPhone. Also, they had a few Shaiva and Murugan chitra-kathas by Amar Chitra Katha on sale which I should have bought but they are no longer available.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
There is always a possibility of running into the Shri Gods. Science, as wonderful as it is, is still in its infancy. There are many doors that science has yet to open for us. Let's hope the crazies don't stop science from letting it happen.