Views on Jesus's Second Coming.

[Skywalker]

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Both of these sources say only some Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Is that true, or just misinformation? I wouldnt be suprised if its true, since Jesus isnt the central figure of the religion, but are what those sources say about Jesus true or false in the sense that his second coming isnt the orthodox position?

 

[Godobeyer]

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Some Muslims believe Jesus will return at the end of the world; the difference is that they believe his return is a sign, not the actual end. Other Muslims believe Jesus is a minor figure and that Islam's 12th imam, Mahdi, will cleanse the world.
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Both of these sources say only some Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Is that true, or just misinformation? I wouldnt be suprised if its true, since Jesus isnt the central figure of the religion, but are what those sources say about Jesus true or false in the sense that his second coming isnt the orthodox position?

Hi Skywalker .
As i know all Muslims believe in second coming of Jesus/Messiah (pbuh) .

some Hadithes (speechs of Muhammad (pbuh)) tells that Messiah/Jesus (pbuh) will come back , to fight Anti-Christ (Al-messiah aldajal) ...etc
he is one of major signs of last day (google it ) .

 

[Skywalker]

Hi Skywalker .
As i know all Muslims believe in second coming of Jesus/Messiah (pbuh) .

some Hadithes (speechs of Muhammad (pbuh)) tells that Messiah/Jesus (pbuh) will come back , to fight Anti-Christ (Al-messiah aldajal) ...etc
he is one of major signs of last day (google it ) .

But why did the sources above say that some Muslims view him as a minor figure and the Madhi will return?

 

[FearGod]

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Some believe Christ will return in an apocalypse, but the significance of his return varies-quote.

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Some Muslims believe Jesus will return at the end of the world; the difference is that they believe his return is a sign, not the actual end. Other Muslims believe Jesus is a minor figure and that Islam's 12th imam, Mahdi, will cleanse the world.
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Both of these sources say only some Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Is that true, or just misinformation? I wouldnt be suprised if its true, since Jesus isnt the central figure of the religion, but are what those sources say about Jesus true or false in the sense that his second coming isnt the orthodox position?

The quran mentioned Jesus as a major sign for the end of our world, that have to happen during the establishment of the caliphate as the prophet foretold that Muslims will lose it and they'll be ruled by oppressors for a specific period of time, also the prophet mentioned that it'll be established during a disturbance in Al sham(Syria).
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.(43:61)

Some muslims think of al dajal which means the liar or the anti messiah is the atheism and their misleading ideas, i think they'll be weak and their ideas will be destroyed by Jesus.

 

[Godobeyer]

But why did the sources above say that some Muslims view him as a minor figure and the Madhi will return?

there is different views , i am talking from Hadith , when Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) recit the signs of last day (Majors and Minors )

btw signs of last day mean: ''signs of end of this life''

 

[Skywalker]

there is different views , i am talking from Hadith , when Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) recit the signs of last day (Majors and Minors )

btw signs of last day mean: ''signs of end of this life''

Im confused now. I thought you said the belief Jesus will return is an Orthodox position within Islam.

 

[Godobeyer]

Im confused now. I thought you said the belief Jesus will return is an Orthodox position within Islam.

don't confuse
Most of Muslims believe that Jesus (pbuh) is will return , and i am talking from Hadith view .
there is Shia views may match with my view .

 

[Sakeenah]

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Some believe Christ will return in an apocalypse, but the significance of his return varies-quote.

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Some Muslims believe Jesus will return at the end of the world; the difference is that they believe his return is a sign, not the actual end. Other Muslims believe Jesus is a minor figure and that Islam's 12th imam, Mahdi, will cleanse the world.
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Both of these sources say only some Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Is that true, or just misinformation? I wouldnt be suprised if its true, since Jesus isnt the central figure of the religion, but are what those sources say about Jesus true or false in the sense that his second coming isnt the orthodox position?

The opinion you just quoted is a shia opinion if I'm not mistaken. Which I respectfully disagree . The second coming of Jesus peace and blessings be upon him is among the major signs. Imam mahdi isn't a bigger sign both are major signs but the status of the prophets are higher then any pious imam,person or companion of the prophet.

 

[Godobeyer]

The opinion you just quoted is a shia opinion if I'm not mistaken. Which I respectfully disagree . The second coming of Jesus peace and blessings be upon him is among the major signs. Imam mahdi isn't a bigger sign both are major signs but the status of the prophets are higher then any pious imam,person or companion of the prophet.

salam sister
I think all of Muslims believe in second return of Jesus (pbuh) , agreed ?

the confuse in Imam Mahdi . some are with and some are not . whateve , Mahdi is Imam not prophet , since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last Prophet .

 

[mojtaba]

The quran mentioned Jesus as a major sign for the end of our world, that have to happen during the establishment of the caliphate as the prophet foretold that Muslims will lose it and they'll be ruled by oppressors for a specific period of time, also the prophet mentioned that it'll be established during a disturbance in Al sham(Syria).
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.(43:61)

Some muslims think of al dajal which means the liar or the anti messiah is the atheism and their misleading ideas, i think they'll be weak and their ideas will be destroyed by Jesus.

Holy Qur'an, 43: 61
[Say,] ‘Indeed he is a portent of the Hour; so do not doubt it and follow me. This is a straight path'.

"He" refers to Jesus( peace be upon upon him ) and the meaning of the verse is:

Prophet Jesus is a means by which we can believe in the occurrence of the Resurrection, because Jesus was created without a father and also he frequently revived the deads( by Allah’s leave ). Therefore, Allah(swt) can easily establish the Resurrection and revive all humans for final judgment. So we should not be in doubt about it( i.e. the establishing of the Resurrection by Allah ).

Some people think this verse means that Jesus( peace be upon him ) is a sign for the coming of the Hour( of Judgment ) and he will descend upon the earth before the setting of the Hour and so humans will get from his descent that the time of the setting of the Hour is very near.
But this interpretation can not explan the rest of the verse, that is, ' so [ O, Muslims ] do not doubt it '. Because this verse addresses all Muslims, not the Muslims who are in the time of the coming of the Hour. So we can not accept this interpretation.

 

[FearGod]

Holy Qur'an, 43: 61
[Say,] ‘Indeed he is a portent of the Hour; so do not doubt it and follow me. This is a straight path'.

"He" refers to Jesus( peace be upon upon him ) and the meaning of the verse is:

Prophet Jesus is a means by which we can believe in the occurrence of the Resurrection, because Jesus was created without a father and also he frequently revived the deads( by Allah’s leave ). Therefore, Allah(swt) can easily establish the Resurrection and revive all humans for final judgment. So we should not be in doubt about it( i.e. the establishing of the Resurrection by Allah ).

Some people think this verse means that Jesus( peace be upon him ) is a sign for the coming of the Hour( of Judgment ) and he will descend upon the earth before the setting of the Hour and so humans will get from his descent that the time of the setting of the Hour is very near.
But this interpretation can not explan the rest of the verse, that is, ' so [ O, Muslims ] do not doubt it '. Because this verse addresses all Muslims, not the Muslims who are in the time of the coming of the Hour. So we can not accept this interpretation.

People didn't see Jesus and his miracles, so mentioning it as a sign for the next generations doesn't make sense since it wasn't witnessed by them, a sign means an established fact which can be witnessed and seen by the others.

 

[mojtaba]

People didn't see Jesus and his miracles, so mentioning it as a sign for the next generations doesn't make sense since it wasn't witnessed by them, a sign means an established fact which can be witnessed and seen by the others.

Salam dear FearGod.

Yes my brother, you are right. A sign means an established fact which can be witnessed and seen by the others.

But this verse of Holy Qur'an( 43: 61 ) doesn't say Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) is a Sign. The word "sign" means "بینة"( Bayyinah ) in Arabic. You can not find بینة in this verse.

Indeed, the verse says Jesus is a knowledge for [the occurrence of] the Hour:

« وَ إِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسّاعَةِ فَلا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِها »
و انه: [Say,] ‘Indeed he is
لعلم: a knowledge
للساعة:for [the occurrence of] the Hour [ of Judgment ].
فَلا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِها: So do not doubt it( i.e. the establishing of the Resurrection by Allah ) '.

In the verse, instead of "بینة"( sign ), the word "علم"( which means knowledge in English ) is used, and knowledge doesn't mean an established fact which can be witnessed and seen by the others.

Also the verse says Jesus is a knowledge for ..., instead of Jesus will be a knowledge for .... .
Waffaghakallah.

 

[FearGod]

Salam dear FearGod.

Yes my brother, you are right. A sign means an established fact which can be witnessed and seen by the others.

But this verse of Holy Qur'an( 43: 61 ) doesn't say Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) is a Sign. The word "sign" means "بینة"( Bayyinah ) in Arabic. You can not find بینة in this verse.

Indeed, the verse says Jesus is a knowledge for [the occurrence of] the Hour:

« وَ إِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسّاعَةِ فَلا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِها »
و انه: [Say,] ‘Indeed he is
لعلم: a knowledge
للساعة:for [the occurrence of] the Hour [ of Judgment ].
فَلا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِها: So do not doubt it( i.e. the establishing of the Resurrection by Allah ) '.

In the verse, instead of "بینة"( sign ), the word "علم"( which means knowledge in English ) is used, and knowledge doesn't mean an established fact which can be witnessed and seen by the others.

Also the verse says Jesus is a knowledge for ..., instead of Jesus will be a knowledge for .... .
Waffaghakallah.

Brother mojtaba, the hour doesn't come yet and Jesus will be a knowledge for the hour, no difference between being a sign or a knowledge (as to know)
the hour is coming, IOW once Jesus on earth then the believers will know that the hour is close.

 

[mojtaba]

Brother mojtaba, the hour doesn't come yet and Jesus will be a knowledge for the hour, no difference between being a sign or a knowledge (as to know)
the hour is coming, IOW once Jesus on earth then the believers will know that the hour is close.

Dear FearGod, you mention that the hour doesn't come yet and Jesus will be a knowledge for the hour.

My brother, the verse clearly says Jesus is a knowledge for the Hour now, instead of will be a knowledge for the Hour.

You mention: "no difference between being a sign or a knowledge (as to know)".
Yes. But your interpretation of the verse can not explain the whole of the verse. Because:

1- as I mentioned, the verse says: "Jesus is a knowledge for the Hour now", instead of will be a knowledge for the Hour.
2- the rest of the verse says: " So [ O, Muslims ] do not doubt it." this part of the verse addresses all Muslims, not only the Muslims who will be in the time of the coming of the Hour.

But this interpretation can explain the verse without any problem:

Prophet Jesus is a means by which we can believe in the occurrence of the Resurrection, because Jesus was created without a father and also he frequently revived the deads( by Allah’s leave ). Therefore, Allah(swt) can easily establish the Resurrection and revive all humans for final judgment. So we should not be in doubt about it( i.e. the establishing of the Resurrection by Allah ).
From Tafsir Al-Mizan.

 

[FearGod]

Dear FearGod, you mention that the hour doesn't come yet and Jesus will be a knowledge for the hour.

My brother, the verse clearly says Jesus is a knowledge for the Hour now, instead of will be a knowledge for the Hour.

You mention: "no difference between being a sign or a knowledge (as to know)".
Yes. But your interpretation of the verse can not explain the whole of the verse. Because:

1- as I mentioned, the verse says: "Jesus is a knowledge for the Hour now", instead of will be a knowledge for the Hour.
2- the rest of the verse says: " So [ O, Muslims ] do not doubt it." this part of the verse addresses all Muslims, not only the Muslims who will be in the time of the coming of the Hour.

But this interpretation can explain the verse without any problem:

Prophet Jesus is a means by which we can believe in the occurrence of the Resurrection, because Jesus was created without a father and also he frequently revived the deads( by Allah’s leave ). Therefore, Allah(swt) can easily establish the Resurrection and revive all humans for final judgment. So we should not be in doubt about it( i.e. the establishing of the Resurrection by Allah ).
From Tafsir Al-Mizan.

The letter "ل" before the word "علم" means it doesn't yet happen "لعلم", the previous verse will help us to understand that "ل" being added to
the verb means a future act or an act that doesn't happen yet, have a look to the previous verse

"لجعلنا" means it doesn't happen yet , ((And if We willed, We could have made [instead] of you angels succeeding [one another] on the earth.))

 

[FearGod]

Here is another example for the letter "ل"

((And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time."))

 

[mojtaba]

The letter "ل" before the word "علم" means it doesn't yet happen "لعلم", the previous verse will help us to understand that "ل" being added to
the verb means a future act or an act that doesn't happen yet, have a look to the previous verse

"لجعلنا" means it doesn't happen yet , ((And if We willed, We could have made [instead] of you angels succeeding [one another] on the earth.))

My brother, are you familiar with Arabic?

" ل "( Lam ) in this cases is just used for emphasis and means indeed.

[43:60]
Had We wished We indeed would have set angel-likes from you succeeding [one another] on the earth.( They are pure like angels, but are human and either begat, or are begotten )

 

[mojtaba]

Here is another example for the letter "ل"

((And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time."))

And when ل is before a verb, means surely.
Okay?

 

[TheSounding]

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Some Muslims believe Jesus will return at the end of the world; the difference is that they believe his return is a sign, not the actual end. Other Muslims believe Jesus is a minor figure and that Islam's 12th imam, Mahdi, will cleanse the world.
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Both of these sources say only some Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Is that true, or just misinformation? I wouldnt be suprised if its true, since Jesus isnt the central figure of the religion, but are what those sources say about Jesus true or false in the sense that his second coming isnt the orthodox position?

The Jews at the time of Jesus believe that Elijah would precede the Messiah and they use this to discredit Jesus. They said Elijah did not come and so you are not the Messiah. Jesus said Elijah did come but you did not recognize him, and he meant John the Baptist. He was not the person of Elijah, he was the spirit of Elijah.

In this way I believe Jesus will return, not in person but in spirit. It is my personal belief that the Holy Prophet was indeed the second coming of Jesus. I believe the inspiration he received from understanding the gospel produced the inspiration for the Qur`an. The proof of this is in his message; it is clearly based on Christian values. And the fact that the holy Prophet did not claim to have fulfilled this is further 'proof'. If he did claim to be the return of Jesus he would have been a liar because liars fulfill their ego. But that fact that he didn't say anything but alluded to it proves his character, the same character as Jesus.

 

[FearGod]

And when ل is before a verb, means surely.
Okay?

Arabic is my native language and i'm very familiar with it more than you can imagine.
the werb "تعلمن" has no future meaning, but when adding letter "ل" it speaks about future "you'll come to know"