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Views on Jesus's Second Coming.

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
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Some Muslims believe Jesus will return at the end of the world; the difference is that they believe his return is a sign, not the actual end. Other Muslims believe Jesus is a minor figure and that Islam's 12th imam, Mahdi, will cleanse the world.
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Both of these sources say only some Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Is that true, or just misinformation? I wouldnt be suprised if its true, since Jesus isnt the central figure of the religion, but are what those sources say about Jesus true or false in the sense that his second coming isnt the orthodox position?

To dear Skywalker:
Peace be on you.
From Ahmadiyya Muslim View:

1=The promised second coming is not a new phenomenon in religion. It is a metaphor. As once gone from this world is gone for ever.
Jesus (on whom be peace) indicating John the baptist (on whom be peace) as Elijah (on whom be peace) ........[ Elijah was to come again : 5"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.....Malachi 4:5 ]:

Mathew 17:10-13
10And His disciples asked Him, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" 11And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

Mathew 11:14-15
14"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. 15"He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

(Ref:biblehubDOTcom)


2= Please also read:
Jesus in Ahmadiyya Islam @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Ahmadiyya_Islam#Hadith_accounts


3=Out of several verses which, according to Ahmadiyya
understanding, clearly show he has died, one is following:

ch 5v118, note 814 :

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https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=267&region=EN&CR=E1,E2&CR=E1,E2


4= Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) foretold various signs
of latter days in such way that if people see these fulfilling then they should realize that the Claimant is true. [The signs were told in such a chained manner that they were impossible to be faked. They were fulfilled. These Signs included: Religious conditions of the era, Moral conditions, Knowledge, Traditions, Health, Gender ratio, New vehicles, Wealth, Politics, Earth, Astronomy etc&.ut

As mentioned in two close-by places in Bhukari, Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) mentioned two different countenances of Jesus (a.s.) : when he (s.a.w.) mentioned Jesus (a.s.) as seen in Ascension-journey, Jesus was of red complexion, curly hair and also Moses (a.s.) is mentioned there too ---- But ---- when he (s.a.w.) mentioned Jesus (a.s.) making circuits around Ka'aba , [Dajjal (anti-christ) is also mentioned circuiting Ka'aba] there Jesus is mentioned as man of brownish complexion with straight hairs...........All this indicates that Jesus-of-Moses was different than Jesus-of-latter days..... Jesus-of-latter days was the man to save Islam (it comes from circuiting Ka'aba) from anti christ's ploys (as it makes circuits around Ka'aba too -- or-- anti chirst will become become humble and effect of Ka'aba will correct it too)....


Jesus, Mahdi and the Man mentioned in the the Hadith when Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) explained the verse 4 of Surah Jumua ch 62: “And (among) others from among them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise.” -- are same.

Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) placed his hand on the shoulder of Sahabi ( Companion) Hadhrat Salman Farsi (may Allah be pleased with him) and said that Even if faith were near the Pleiades (al-Thurryah), a man from amongst these would surely find it. (Ref: Bukhari, Muslim).........It means when Faith will become very weak such a servant of Holy Prophet (s.a.w) will again establish it.


Three names indicate his properties and scope of work. By having the name Jesus, he will have no wars, he will correct the error of making God's associates...... By having name Mahdi, he will be guided by God Himself and spread teaching of Holy Prophet s.a.w....... By the pointing of Hazrat Salman Farsi, the coming man would be of Persian descendant..... The mention of Pleiades show, faith will go high i.e. would become very weak, the Man will bring it back by the grace of Allah the Exalted.

The coming of a Promised Man in latter days is mentioned in major religions. He is the same and one Man of God, according to Ahmadiyya understanding.


According to Ahmadiyya Muslims, such a universal servant of universal Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) has come as Promised Messiah and Mahdi to serve cause of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) by using peaceful means (prayer, pen and human services). After him, his Khilafat (as foretold by Holy Prophet s.a.w.) is serving; now fifth Khalifah is heading the Community by the grace of Allah the Exalted and Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at has reached to 207 countries in the world as the best peaceful citizens of their respective countries since Holy Prophet s.a.w said The love of homeland is the part of faith.

[More details in alislam.org].

5=One can always directly pray to God the Exalted to get guidance in this matter.

Good wishes.
 
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mojtaba

Active Member
Arabic is my native language and i'm very familiar with it more than you can imagine.
the werb "تعلمن" has no future meaning, but when adding letter "ل" it speaks about future "you'll come to know"
good.
Excuse me brother.

If you are right, so why in the following verse, ل is used for past tense?[2:198]

«وَإِن كُنتُم مِّن قَبْلِهِ لَمِنَ الضَّالِّينَ»
لَمن: لَ + من
and earlier you were indeed among the astray.

Indeed, when " ل " is before a name, means indeed( like 2:198 ), and when it is before a verb, means surly. "ل" is used for emphasis.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
good.
Excuse me brother.

If you are right, so why in the following verse, ل is used for past tense?[2:198]

«وَإِن كُنتُم مِّن قَبْلِهِ لَمِنَ الضَّالِّينَ»
لَمن: لَ + من
and earlier you were indeed among the astray.

Indeed, when " ل " is before a name, means indeed( like 2:198 ), and when it is before a verb, means surly. "ل" is used for emphasis.

If letter "ل" means indeed, then what it means in verse 2:120 for the word لئن
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((And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.))

The word لئن means if you were going to, which means in future tense
 

mojtaba

Active Member
If letter "ل" means indeed, then what it means in verse 2:120 for the word لئن

((And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.))

The word لئن means if you were going to, which means in future tense

My brother, let's go use the linguistics to make our discussion more scientific. If you give some verses to prove your opinion and I do such you, both of us could give some verses. So we can not wrap up.

HolyQur'an, 43: 61
« وَ إِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسّاعَةِ فَلا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِها »

[Say,] ‘Indeed he( Jesus ) is a portent of the Hour; so do not doubt it and follow me. This is a straight path'.

This sentence is Ismiyyah and begins with the letter " إِنَّ ".

The letter " هُ "( which is just after إِنَّهُ =إِنَّ + هُ ] إِنَّ ] ) is the Ism of the letter إِنَّ, and the word "علم"( which is just after لَعِلْمٌ = لَ + علم ] لَ ] ) is the Khabar of the letter إِنَّ .

The letter لَ( Lam, اللام ) which is atached to the Khabar of the letter إِنَّ (i.e., the word علم), is the Mozhaleghah Lam( اللام المزحلقة ) and is used for emphesis.

Sources:
http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-11928/page-17
http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-6987/page-36
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
My brother, let's go use the linguistics to make our discussion more scientific. If you give some verses to prove your opinion and I do such you, both of us could give some verses. So we can not wrap up.

HolyQur'an, 43: 61
« وَ إِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسّاعَةِ فَلا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِها »

[Say,] ‘Indeed he( Jesus ) is a portent of the Hour; so do not doubt it and follow me. This is a straight path'.

This sentence is Ismiyyah and begins with the letter " إِنَّ ".

The letter " هُ "( which is just after إِنَّهُ =إِنَّ + هُ ] إِنَّ ] ) is the Ism of the letter إِنَّ, and the word "علم"( which is just after لَعِلْمٌ = لَ + علم ] لَ ] ) is the Khabar of the letter إِنَّ .

The letter لَ( Lam, اللام ) which is atached to the Khabar of the letter إِنَّ (i.e., the word علم), is the Mozhaleghah Lam( اللام المزحلقة ) and is used for emphesis.

Sources:
http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-11928/page-17
http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-6987/page-36

And according to your analysis then it speaks about Jesus as a person, not what he did or what was his miracles..etc
IOW he "Jesus" the knowledge of the hour, so Jesus himself as a person.
 

mojtaba

Active Member
And according to your analysis then it speaks about Jesus as a person, not what he did or what was his miracles..etc
IOW he "Jesus" the knowledge of the hour, so Jesus himself as a person.

No. ZadakAllahu Khayra.

Jesus in the verse 43: 61, means his special property( i.e. his birth without a father ) and doings( reviving the deeds, etc.). For instance:

Holy Qur'an, Chapter Maryam,
Thereupon he( Jesus ) called her( Mary ) from below her [saying,] ‘Do not grieve! Your Lord has made a spring to flow at your feet. (24) Shake the trunk of the palm tree, freshly picked dates will drop upon you....
O sister of Aaron[’s lineage]! Your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother unchaste.’ (28) Thereat she pointed to him. They said, ‘How can we speak to one who is yet a baby in the cradle?’ (29) He said, ‘Indeed I am a servant of Allah! He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. (30)He has made me blessed, wherever I may be, and He has enjoined me to [maintain] the prayer and to [pay] the zakat as long as I live, (31) and to be good to my mother, and He has not made me self-willed and wretched. (32) Peace to me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised alive.’
(33) That is Jesus, son of Mary, a Word of the Real concerning whom they are in doubt.

Or, Chapter Maryam,
And mention in the Book( Qur'an ) Moses. Indeed he was exclusively dedicated [to Allah], and an apostle and prophet. (51) We called him from the right side of the Mount and We drew him near [to Ourselves] for confidential discourse. (52) And We gave him out of Our mercy his brother Aaron, a prophet.

and etc.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
No. ZadakAllahu Khayra.

Jesus in the verse 43: 61, means his special property( i.e. his birth without a father ) and doings( reviving the deeds, etc.). For instance:

Holy Qur'an, Chapter Maryam,
Thereupon he( Jesus ) called her( Mary ) from below her [saying,] ‘Do not grieve! Your Lord has made a spring to flow at your feet. (24) Shake the trunk of the palm tree, freshly picked dates will drop upon you....
O sister of Aaron[’s lineage]! Your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother unchaste.’ (28) Thereat she pointed to him. They said, ‘How can we speak to one who is yet a baby in the cradle?’ (29) He said, ‘Indeed I am a servant of Allah! He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. (30)He has made me blessed, wherever I may be, and He has enjoined me to [maintain] the prayer and to [pay] the zakat as long as I live, (31) and to be good to my mother, and He has not made me self-willed and wretched. (32) Peace to me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised alive.’
(33) That is Jesus, son of Mary, a Word of the Real concerning whom they are in doubt.

Or, Chapter Maryam,
And mention in the Book( Qur'an ) Moses. Indeed he was exclusively dedicated [to Allah], and an apostle and prophet. (51) We called him from the right side of the Mount and We drew him near [to Ourselves] for confidential discourse. (52) And We gave him out of Our mercy his brother Aaron, a prophet.

and etc.

وَإِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسَّاعَةِ فَلَا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِهَا وَاتَّبِعُونِ ۚ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُسْتَقِيمٌ

If making the dead to becomes alive will make people to believe about the hour then do you think that God
can never do it except by Jesus, why not having some women to get pregnant without fathers, why not
letting some to die and then to get back to life, why it can't work except by Jesus.

If that knowledge is the reason for us to believe then God can show it for us happening from time to time
without the need for a prophet or a messenger to do it for us.
 
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TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Islam_v...
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Some believe Christ will return in an apocalypse, but the significance of his return varies-quote.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Christi...
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Some Muslims believe Jesus will return at the end of the world; the difference is that they believe his return is a sign, not the actual end. Other Muslims believe Jesus is a minor figure and that Islam's 12th imam, Mahdi, will cleanse the world.
Quote

Both of these sources say only some Muslims believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Is that true, or just misinformation? I wouldnt be suprised if its true, since Jesus isnt the central figure of the religion, but are what those sources say about Jesus true or false in the sense that his second coming isnt the orthodox position?

It's the orthodox position that Jesus "peace be upon him" will return to kill the anti-Christ and to enforce Islam alone to be held as a religion in the whole world. His mission and leadership of Muslims is widely believed to be spiritual mostly because the Mahdi will come before him to spread justice in the world and unite the Muslims.

Many scholars have differed in the details but they all agreed that Jesus is coming back and that after many years of living that he will die a natural death and get buried on earth. Life will continue after him to eventually end later on.
 

mojtaba

Active Member
وَإِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسَّاعَةِ فَلَا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِهَا وَاتَّبِعُونِ ۚ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُسْتَقِيمٌ

If making the dead to becomes alive will make people to believe about the hour then do you think that God
can never do it except by Jesus, why not having some women to get pregnant without fathers, why not
letting some to die and then to get back to life, why it can't work except by Jesus.

If that knowledge is the reason for us to believe then God can show it for us happening from time to time
without the need for a prophet or a messenger to do it for us.

Holy Qur'an, 6:124

When a sign comes to them, they say, ‘We will not believe until we are given the like of what was given to Allah’s apostles.’ Allah knows best where to place His apostleship
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Holy Qur'an, 6:124

When a sign comes to them, they say, ‘We will not believe until we are given the like of what was given to Allah’s apostles.’ Allah knows best where to place His apostleship

And we have to believe also on the hour or it's knowledge without the need to know that one day there was a prophet who gave life to the dead. .
 
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