"Violence Erupts Over Israeli Museum’s Sculpture of a Crucified Ronald McDonald"

[BilliardsBall]

Your god wants dead those who worship other gods, are rebellious teenagers, and adultery. That is not freedom of expression. Want to freely express yourself and adorn yourself with fine clothes and jewels and hair braids? The Bible does not allow it.

Well, some of your concepts are good!

 

[Nakosis]

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"A 2015 sculpture of a crucified Ronald McDonald — called “McJesus” by artist Jani Leinonen — created a stir over the weekend at Israel’s Haifa Museum of Art. On Friday, hundreds of Arab Christians clashed with police over what they claimed was an offensive piece of art that mocked their faith.

The sculpture has actually been in the museum since August, as part of an exhibit featuring the intersection of religion and modern culture. Even the government has lobbied for the museum to take down the supposedly blasphemous sculpture."
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Do you feel this is offensive?

Why?
Why not?​

If this happened in the USA what would you feel should be done about it?

1. Nothing,
2. Take it down.
3. Other.​

WHY?​

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What's weird is Christians using a torture device as their religious symbol.

So they want to torture Ronald, considering all of the cows and chickens that have been sacrificed in his name seems just to me.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I'm sorry you feel that way. It offends me when skeptics use their freedom to curse the God who made all good while forgetting that God is a guarantor of human rights and dignities.

Indeed God is the author of all that is good (and bad). However human kind does well enough to ruin things that are good, but more importantly my post was to convey that there is no perfect society nor even remotely close to being utopian for all. I don't think we can judge societies based on how we live. I like living in a democratic society and although I acknowledge the issues women face elsewhere, and believe me I believe the family of Saud ruined that country, it is not my place to judge.

 

[Skwim]

Perhaps you could move there, since your anti-Christian daily posts would be welcomed there?

Then again, I would miss you.

Everyone .....A lot of people .....Some here..... You would miss me. Thanks.

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[Jumi]

Yeah in-n-out is an American thing mostly here on the westcoast and southwest of the U.S. Basically its famous for its French fries which are not processed but are cut and made to order. Their burgers are good but most importantly the toppings on their fries and burgers consist of "animal style," which is extra Thousand Island spread, mustard grilled patties (for burgers), and extra pickles. For French fries it's cheese, spread, and grilled onions.

So more of a "traditional restaurant" with burgers if I understood correctly. I do like the idea of healthier fast food, we have a chain like that too, with all kinds even vegan options.

Music and Food at least from what I've seen has a tendency to bring people together. Of course alcohol does to but it also brings out the worse in people. But yes wouldn't it be wonderful?

I've noticed that sitting down and eating with people from completely different backgrounds and ethnicities is perhaps the easiest way to get through cultural barriers. Seen it first hand how people I though would never get along based on their political ideas and origins disappear when they ate the same foods and sat down together for a few weeks.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So more of a "traditional restaurant" with burgers if I understood correctly. I do like the idea of healthier fast food, we have a chain like that too, with all kinds even vegan options.

Yes and no. Non-traditional in the sense that when they cook the fries it's not in the traditional oil McDonalds and Burger King uses, rather they cook it in sunflower oil. Also, yes there are other options but I doubt vegan is one of them.

I've noticed that sitting down and eating with people from completely different backgrounds and ethnicities is perhaps the easiest way to get through cultural barriers. Seen it first hand how people I though would never get along based on their political ideas and origins disappear when they ate the same foods and sat down together for a few weeks.

Exactly. I simply looking cooking outdoors especially on a cold day. There is nothing like a nice fire and nice drinks like teas (for me that spiked long Island Iced Tea) that gets everyone comfortable. As you say the cultural barriers come down once people enjoy their meal. People forget sustenance, is a part of our very nature and humans need to eat to live. Our human ancestors during the ice age had to survive and eat what they could. I think what better way to understand the humanity of one another if we could do this.

 

[Valjean]

You must obey authority, regardless. If God wants to open a country to the
Gospel then He will do it. And if you are persecuted then you accept that
as the price for your faith. No-one in the New Testament engaged in violence.
This is the price of faith.

What if the authority ordered you to sin? What if it ordered you to round up all the [insert ethnic group] and shoot them? Does God want you to do it?
If the authorities in two countries ordered their people to go to war with each other, would God approve of the carnage? If two people walked up to each other, put their guns to each other's heads and fired, are both doing the good and proper thing?

Where is free will or individual choice or even morality in this system? Why even have a moral code if you're not allowed to exercise it; if you're just expected to do what you're told?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What I love about the Messiah is that Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah and others stated definitively - the Messiah will be believed upon by the Gentiles, rather than the Jews.

The Convenants made are clearly between Jehovah, his prophets, the Hebrews, and also those they acquire as slaves.
And, don't take my word for it, according to the Jews themselves their Messiah will bring a unified world and promote Israel to a position of being a beacon of light of an example to the world. That is the Messianic Era to the Jews. It is their religion, after all, and the Christians and Muslims who hijacked it and claimed it for themselves.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Intention sure is everything (may not effect the result of the product though), still the thing in question is impossible to do without using universally known symbols or directly stating "this is who we're depicting", otherwise it's just some random bearded man wearing a robe.

I'm willing I could draw Muhammad, and without using these "universally known symbols" and without directly saying this is who it is, I am confident most would get the idea.

The crucifix itself though, is a symbol that stands for something theologically, but outside of this is historically a form of barbaric public murder (I don't think execution exists)

It's also a method of execution. There is nothing inherently religious about it. It's only when it's presented a certain way that it can be assumed to be Christian and not one of the many other religions that have used the symbol. Or it could just be how we're going to kill someone like the Romans and many others did.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

USA Today 16 hours ago
'McJesus' sculpture to be removed from museum after violent protest, mayor says


It isn't art. It's mockery, blasphemy.
Remember the man who claimed to be an artist years ago? He put a crucifix in a mason jar full of his own urine and called that art.
That wasn't art. That was a sick mind mocking over 1 billion people.
And then he died of his sins.

 

[lukethethird]

USA Today 16 hours ago
'McJesus' sculpture to be removed from museum after violent protest, mayor says


It isn't art. It's mockery, blasphemy.
Remember the man who claimed to be an artist years ago? He put a crucifix in a mason jar full of his own urine and called that art.
That wasn't art. That was a sick mind mocking over 1 billion people.
And then he died of his sins.

If one could reach and mock a billion people with a simple little piece of art then yes, that is art.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

If one could reach and mock a billion people with a simple little piece of art then yes, that is art.

No, that's insecurity and cowardice. But it does have its fans.

 

[Skwim]

No, that's insecurity and cowardice. But it does have its fans.

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya in the Princess Bride "I do not think they mean what you think they mean."

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[Valjean]

USA Today 16 hours ago
'McJesus' sculpture to be removed from museum after violent protest, mayor says


It isn't art. It's mockery, blasphemy.
Remember the man who claimed to be an artist years ago? He put a crucifix in a mason jar full of his own urine and called that art.
That wasn't art. That was a sick mind mocking over 1 billion people.
And then he died of his sins.

That's your interpretation. What is art, to you? You immediately see a threat to your ego-integrity. You seem paranoid and insecure. You probably have an enormous amygdala.

 

[Looncall]

Since when do "Christians" clash with police. If they do this then they are not Christians.

Expressing outrage with violence seems to be standard procedure in the Middle East. What gives? Is there something in the water or the air or some such?

I know there are problems with radioactivity in aquifers there, but I wouldn't expect it to have that effect.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

That's your interpretation. What is art, to you? You immediately see a threat to your ego-integrity. You seem paranoid and insecure. You probably have an enormous amygdala.

Feel better?

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya in the Princess Bride "I do not think they mean what you think they mean."

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That you not only watched that movie but remember a line says a lot about your maturity level . Or lack thereof.

 

[PruePhillip]

Expressing outrage with violence seems to be standard procedure in the Middle East. What gives? Is there something in the water or the air or some such?

I know there are problems with radioactivity in aquifers there, but I wouldn't expect it to have that effect.

Somewhere in the Old Testament - God told His people Israel that he has put
them in a place where He can "prove" them. He did something similar to the
figures in the bible too.
On top of this we see the rise of Islam millennium later, a religion based upon
violence.

 

[Skwim]

That you not only watched that movie but remember a line says a lot about your maturity level . Or lack thereof.

In a pickle there's always an ad hom to toss out, isn't there.

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[TheresOnlyNow]

In a pickle there's always an ad hom to toss out, isn't there.

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As your post history demonstrates. Which is why the observation of your IQ is not an ad hom. It is a judgment based on your public demonstration of poor character and immaturity.