"Violence Erupts Over Israeli Museum’s Sculpture of a Crucified Ronald McDonald"

[Slabraton]

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"A 2015 sculpture of a crucified Ronald McDonald — called “McJesus” by artist Jani Leinonen — created a stir over the weekend at Israel’s Haifa Museum of Art. On Friday, hundreds of Arab Christians clashed with police over what they claimed was an offensive piece of art that mocked their faith.

The sculpture has actually been in the museum since August, as part of an exhibit featuring the intersection of religion and modern culture. Even the government has lobbied for the museum to take down the supposedly blasphemous sculpture."
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Do you feel this is offensive?

Why?
Why not?​

If this happened in the USA what would you feel should be done about it?

1. Nothing,
2. Take it down.
3. Other.​

WHY?​

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I am a devout Catholic and I don't find it offensive but rather a comment on the state of faith among too many Christians.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Perhaps it was more a criticism of Corporatism than religious mockery.

Maybe it's because religion compares so much like fast food.

 

[Cooky]

Maybe it's because religion compares so much like fast food.

And then we have grown men throwing rocks in a tantrum like their overlords do... Making a big scene out of something that's none of their business.

 

[Salvador]

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"A 2015 sculpture of a crucified Ronald McDonald — called “McJesus” by artist Jani Leinonen — created a stir over the weekend at Israel’s Haifa Museum of Art. On Friday, hundreds of Arab Christians clashed with police over what they claimed was an offensive piece of art that mocked their faith.

The sculpture has actually been in the museum since August, as part of an exhibit featuring the intersection of religion and modern culture. Even the government has lobbied for the museum to take down the supposedly blasphemous sculpture."
source​

Do you feel this is offensive?

Why?
Why not?​

If this happened in the USA what would you feel should be done about it?

1. Nothing,
2. Take it down.
3. Other.​

WHY?​

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Ronald McDonald really creeps me out; I've never liked clowns ever since one of my childhood friends had a birthday party with Pogo the clown. I knew there wasn't something quite right about this character.

I order and pick-up my McDonald's food at the drive-thru; I avoid going inside a McDonald's Restaurant where I might get traumatized by any image of Ronald McDonald. I'm not opposed to any image of Ronald McDonald being there for other persons to appreciate. However, I appreciate neither any image of Ronald McDonald nor any other clown image that reminds me of Pogo the Clown.

 

[Jumi]

Not sure of your argument.
In the New Testament it is said you must "obey those who have
the rule over you" and to respect worldly authority.

So Christians who fought Nazis in their own countries and the ones who spread Christianity in the past and today to countries where proselytizing is forbidden are not Christians?

 

[Jumi]

More importantly do you all have an in-and-out?

Never heard of it, but there could be one. I try to avoid fast food places so I might have missed it. One of the more common fast foods here is kebab. There is a joke about it being the national food in Finland.

 

[Jumi]

I think for far too long human beings have mocked and ridicule each other. I rather much live in peace, it is a lot easier and quieter. Nothing makes me more happier than cooking for others especially my famous Ribeye steak. With a cup of long Island Ice Tea and good music this to me is paradise. Alas my mother (and my girlfriend) once said "Everybody doesn't think like you."

Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone was invited. Sadly it seems like a far off dream.

 

[PruePhillip]

So Christians who fought Nazis in their own countries and the ones who spread Christianity in the past and today to countries where proselytizing is forbidden are not Christians?

You must obey authority, regardless. If God wants to open a country to the
Gospel then He will do it. And if you are persecuted then you accept that
as the price for your faith. No-one in the New Testament engaged in violence.
This is the price of faith.

 

[Jumi]

You must obey authority, regardless. If God wants to open a country to the
Gospel then He will do it. And if you are persecuted then you accept that
as the price for your faith. No-one in the New Testament engaged in violence.
This is the price of faith.

Interesting. That would make Christianity a tiny religion in your opinion. Even the stories about the martyrs would be of non-Christians, since they disobeyed authority.

 

[PruePhillip]

Interesting. That would make Christianity a tiny religion in your opinion. Even the stories about the martyrs would be of non-Christians, since they disobeyed authority.

I understand where you come from.
It's complex...
Christianity was carried into the world by those who openly breached its principles
(such as conquest, force conversion, syncretism etc..)
I believe God allowed this. It's strange, I know.
But through the principles enunciated in scripture people could make up their
minds what was right and wrong.
That's how the bible was preserved for three or four thousand years - it was
often carried by those who had no regard to God's precepts but found something
within the book worth preserving in their eyes (ie Jewish history, wisdom literature)

And to disobey. In scripture there was only a single case where a person could
disobey the law - when it conflicted with God's law (ie the story of three thrown
into the furnace in Daniel, those beaten for preaching Jesus etc..) Note these
people DIDN'T FIGHT but accepted their punishment.

 

[Jumi]

That's how the bible was preserved for three or four thousand years - it was
often carried by those who had no regard to God's precepts but found something
within the book worth preserving in their eyes (ie Jewish history, wisdom literature)

It wasn't actually preserved for that long, but it's a digression. Do you believe God purposely hid the Bible from the people also, for nearly a thousand years?

And to disobey. In scripture there was only a single case where a person could
disobey the law - when it conflicted with God's law (ie the story of three thrown
into the furnace in Daniel, those beaten for preaching Jesus etc..) Note these
people DIDN'T FIGHT but accepted their punishment.

Just curious, are you JW?

 

[PruePhillip]

It wasn't actually preserved for that long, but it's a digression. Do you believe God purposely hid the Bible from the people also, for nearly a thousand years?
Just curious, are you JW?

I am not a JW but I hold them in high regard.
We don't know how long the bible has been preserved - it's almost an
emotive issue with many. But the claim that it was all composed during
Babylonian or Greek times don't stand up to scrutiny.
Oftentimes you can be mystified why some verse, chapter or even book
has been preserved in the bible. But I believe the bible wasn't just written
for believers but for disbelievers too - if you want to mock the bible, then
the bible will oblige. For example today people mock the six days of
creation, but "back then" some would have mocked where Genesis 1
says that God commanded the seas to bring forth life.

 

[Jumi]

Oftentimes you can be mystified why some verse, chapter or even book
has been preserved in the bible. But I believe the bible wasn't just written
for believers but for disbelievers too - if you want to mock the bible, then
the bible will oblige.

What could mock a book?

I'm not particularly mystified with anything in the Bible or why it's there since I'm familiar with it. Every kid in my country used to have around ten years of religious studies compulsory and a more intensive summer camp after which you were given a marriage license.

For example today people mock the six days of
creation, but "back then" some would have mocked where Genesis 1
says that God commanded the seas to bring forth life.

It isn't mocking if someone believes differently than you do. I personally see no reason to believe the world was created in 24*6 earth hours. To me it makes no sense, even if it's written in a book. Do you consider it mocking if I say that?

 

[PruePhillip]

What could mock a book?

I'm not particularly mystified with anything in the Bible or why it's there since I'm familiar with it. Every kid in my country used to have around ten years of religious studies compulsory and a more intensive summer camp after which you were given a marriage license.


It isn't mocking if someone believes differently than you do. I personally see no reason to believe the world was created in 24*6 earth hours. To me it makes no sense, even if it's written in a book. Do you consider it mocking if I say that?

It's common for people to mock the bible. That's a given.
The bible says God sends "strong delusion" that people will believe a lie.
An example are prophecies that the Messiah must come from Bethlehem,
yet the Jews considered Jesus a Galilean. When challenged that the
Messiah cannot come from Galilee it is fair to say that Jesus did not put
forward the whole account of his birth in Bethlehem. I suppose it's a case
that if people aren't moved by your word they will find something, anything
to justify themselves. And so the bible provided that.

 

[Jumi]

Okay, well those are your beliefs. It would be easier if you didn't take all different views and questions as mocking though.

 

[PruePhillip]

Okay, well those are your beliefs. It would be easier if you didn't take all different views and questions as mocking though.

No, I am not talking about people who differ on points of view, I am talking
about the real mockers who ridicule.
I beg to differ with almost everything the Mormon Church believes, for
instance, but I won't mock them.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone was invited. Sadly it seems like a far off dream.

Music and Food at least from what I've seen has a tendency to bring people together. Of course alcohol does to but it also brings out the worse in people. But yes wouldn't it be wonderful?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Never heard of it, but there could be one. I try to avoid fast food places so I might have missed it. One of the more common fast foods here is kebab. There is a joke about it being the national food in Finland.

Yeah in-n-out is an American thing mostly here on the westcoast and southwest of the U.S. Basically its famous for its French fries which are not processed but are cut and made to order. Their burgers are good but most importantly the toppings on their fries and burgers consist of "animal style," which is extra Thousand Island spread, mustard grilled patties (for burgers), and extra pickles. For French fries it's cheese, spread, and grilled onions.

 

[BilliardsBall]

This is dangerous rhetoric. We also find in so-called "free Christian lands" racism, bigotry, sexism, homophobia as well. Please there is enough blame to go around! I call myself sticking up for Christians in this thread (something I rarely do considering there are a lot of intolerant Christians on these boards) don't push it with this evangelical nonsense.

I'm sorry you feel that way. It offends me when skeptics use their freedom to curse the God who made all good while forgetting that God is a guarantor of human rights and dignities.

 

[BilliardsBall]

What of those non-Christian "lands" where freedom of expression is also allowed?

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Perhaps you could move there, since your anti-Christian daily posts would be welcomed there?

Then again, I would miss you.