"virgin" pregnancies

[fallingblood]

It could be that the gospel authors knew it was a myth, and Christians took it too literally. After all, someone also wrote a myth of the Buddha being born of a virgin, but it didn't catch on well in Buddhism.

We have evidence from quite early on that the early followers of Jesus also believed it to be literal. Those followers were in fact Jewish. By the time that Christianity became its own religion, the idea was firmly there.

 

[joea]

This is only a metaphor.......

 

[linwood]

The writers state that he was born of a virgin in order to fulfill prophecy. They believed that in order for Jesus to be messiah, prophecy stated he had to be born of a virgin.

Source?

I`ve never heard of this prophecy.

The most likely theory I`ve ever heard of is that the virgin birth was an extrapolation of Jeromes mistranslation.

It was later mythified and encoded in all later gospels.

 

[DallasApple]

I just cant believe people are retarded enough to believe anyone is a virgin and gets pregnant.

I mean you have to be pretty delusional to believe that..Its actually scary..

Love

Dallas

 

[Darkness]

What I do not understand is how Jesus is connected to the line of David, if Joseph was not his biological father?

 

[DallasApple]

What I do not understand is how Jesus is connected to the line of David, if Joseph was not his biological father?

Its his step dad..

Love

Dallas

 

[fallingblood]

Source?

I`ve never heard of this prophecy.

The most likely theory I`ve ever heard of is that the virgin birth was an extrapolation of Jeromes mistranslation.

It was later mythified and encoded in all later gospels.

It's a supposed prophecy in Isaiah (I believe Isaiah 7 or 9). Matthew directly states this in his gospel. It is a false prophecy, but Matthew still uses it. Luke uses this mistranslation as well for his prophecy.

 

[Sententia]

Well, here it is, the thread for it.

Never observed in humans. Mary's virgin birth like many other mythical stories is but a myth. (Like ye olde stork)

 

[Sententia]

I just cant believe people are retarded enough to believe anyone is a virgin and gets pregnant.

Some people think there is no other option...

The virgin birth is an underlying assumption of everything the Bible says about Jesus. To throw out the virgin birth is to reject Christ's deity, the accuracy and authority of Scripture, and a host of other related doctrines that are the heart of the Christian faith. No issue is more important than the virgin birth to our understanding of who Jesus is. If we deny Jesus is God, we have denied the very essence of Christianity.

 

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by John F. MacArthur, Jr
The virgin birth is an underlying assumption of everything the Bible says about Jesus. To throw out the virgin birth is to reject Christ's deity, the accuracy and authority of Scripture, and a host of other related doctrines that are the heart of the Christian faith. No issue is more important than the virgin birth to our understanding of who Jesus is. If we deny Jesus is God, we have denied the very essence of Christianity.

To be fair, Mr. MacArthur is also the same person who said that women should not work outside the home, because that would possibly put another man "in charge" over her, besides her husband. :sarcastic

 

[Poisonshady313]

What I do not understand is how Jesus is connected to the line of David, if Joseph was not his biological father?

Its his step dad..

Love

Dallas

Doesn't quite work that way. Largely because the issue of Jechoniah in Joseph's line disqualifies Joseph or any of his descendants from having any meaningful connection to David.

Besides, a parent's tribal affiliation does NOT pass to an adopted child.

 

[Poisonshady313]

It's a supposed prophecy in Isaiah (I believe Isaiah 7 or 9). Matthew directly states this in his gospel. It is a false prophecy, but Matthew still uses it. Luke uses this mistranslation as well for his prophecy.

Not a false prophecy.... just a mistranslated and misused prophecy.

The prophecy in its proper form was fulfilled 700 years before Jesus, in the time of King Ahaz.

 

[AxisMundi]

Not a false prophecy.... just a mistranslated and misused prophecy.

The prophecy in its proper form was fulfilled 700 years before Jesus, in the time of King Ahaz.

Interesting.

Since I don't buy the idea of prophesy, would you mind expanding on that?

 

[McBell]

From what I understand, the Hebrew word for virgin as used in the bible means an unmarried woman, not a women who has not had intercourse yet.

But then that would really put the ol' boot to the grion of Christian dogma if their savior had been born out of wedlock.

Yeah, not being allowed in a church for the next 7-10 generations (depending on which version you read) would really put a hurting on his ministry.

 

[McBell]

Never observed in humans.

What, virgin births?
There have been tons of "virgin" births.
Artificial insemination is merely one of many ways a virgin can become pregnant.


I know a lady in WV who is paying child support for her ex-girlfriends baby because she was shown in court to be the one to get her ex-girlfriend pregnant.

But that is a little bit off topic.

 

[Noaidi]

Could the story of the virgin conception be just another way in which christianity repressed sex? Naturally, it would have to acknowledge that Mary gave birth (unless jesus was found in the cabbage patch), but told the story in such a way that the use of 'fornication' was not part of the equation?

 

[Darkness]

Could the story of the virgin conception be just another way in which christianity repressed sex? Naturally, it would have to acknowledge that Mary gave birth (unless jesus was found in the cabbage patch), but told the story in such a way that the use of 'fornication' was not part of the equation?

The best explaination I have heard came from Ibn Warraq, in his book Why I Am Not A Muslim. Many Roman deities were said to be born of a virgin birth. Thus, in order to add legitimacy to the claim of Jesus Christ's godhood, they would have naturally believed he was born of a virgin.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Interesting.

Since I don't buy the idea of prophesy, would you mind expanding on that?

The sign was a sign for King Ahaz. The sign would be that within the lifetime of the child who would be born within a year from the time the prophecy was spoken, the threat of the kingdoms of rezin and pekah (against the kingdom of Judah) would end.

Whether this child was Ahaz's son Hezekiah or Isaiah's son Maher-shalal-hash-baz... the fact is, the events spoken of in Isaiah 7 couldn't have happened any less than 700 years before Jesus supposedly was born.

 

[Sententia]

What, virgin births?
There have been tons of "virgin" births.
Artificial insemination is merely one of many ways a virgin can become pregnant.


I know a lady in WV who is paying child support for her ex-girlfriends baby because she was shown in court to be the one to get her ex-girlfriend pregnant.

But that is a little bit off topic.

Hah... yeah I guess I must be wearing orthopedic shoes. (I stand corrected)

Specifically I should have said parthenogenesis. Or magical insemination. Could you imagine poor Joseph waiting outside the bedroom... after some time he chances a knock.... "God?".... "God? You done in there yet?".

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