WalterTrull
Godfella
Me too! I'm pure!!!I have no need for gaming or VR
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- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Many people don't do that because either they choose not to or do not know how. For many, gaming and/or VR is their version of meditation.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
Why do some people want to use so much time in meditation? Is it not enough to understand the physical world? Is meditation a form of trying to escape truth?
Hah!
Our constructed reality is itself an escape, or rather more accurately, an avoidance of Truth. The devil we know, is better than a confrontation with the Void. Fear of Reality, is what drives all of it. VR is just another layer of abstraction further removed.
Dangit @Windwalker, you beat me to it.
Two times I have known a dating couple play together on video games. One couple would select titles and together play them through. Another spent many years playing World of Warcraft. Two people on RF, lovemuffin and Orbit, like to play Diablo II together.
Similar question: Why would someone want to throw away all forms of pleasure and try to create an inner world using meditation? Is not meditation strenuous? Is not meditation counter-intuitive? Is it not like memorizing times tables and sanding rusty metal?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Hehe it is a way of get away from the physical world of sufferingWhy do some people want to use so much time in meditation? Is it not enough to understand the physical world? Is meditation a form of trying to escape truth?
Is meditation a form of trying to escape truth?
Quite the opposite, actually.
Truth itself is an illusion.
Enjoyment is where you find it, whether it's religion, VR, TV or literature.
Sirona
Hindu Wannabe
I tried my brother's VR goggles ... I think the correct term is immersion . The perception is so incredibly overwhelming ... quite different from playing on a screen. The game he showed me was a shoot-them-up. You were to shoot giant spiders, not humans. But my brother said, if you spend too much time playing this game, you might become paranoid ... his own words. And the graphics are becoming more and more realistic. I wonder how one's mind would respond to shooting a hyper-realistic animated man in VR.
I know nothing of this stuff.
My video game experience...
A little Pong in the mid 1970s.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Do they have any games where people learn stillness or other meditations nowadays?
Well, in an RPG one can sit still in a chair or do a walking meditation.
My point was that it’s within one’s nature to move away from this perceived reality to experience another. Those who don’t meditate do this on other ways such as gaming, VR, etc.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
From a meditators perspective I don't think it's a good idea to do it in a game to be honest since you are experiencing the senses without as much filter as normal. At least it sounds like it might go wrong easily. Chess is a game where you can fully immerse into the game world in a true meditative state and the suicide rate is high. I don't think gamers will reach those levels though and be much more in a mental state similar to normal.Well, in an RPG one can sit still in a chair or do a walking meditation.
The kind where one is spammed something like tunnels or flight in air is better because you're focusing passively on what's coming.
For me meditation is more about experiencing this world, but I understand there are some who find other purposes.
VR is a form of self medication. It releases endorphins which blocks pain. It's a "natural" high. People use it like alcohol and drugs. I think to block emotional/physical pain. I also think it can be addictive just like drugs and alcohol.
Meditation I believe does this as well but takes a lot more discipline. It's a kind of happy, happy, joy, joy for the undisciplined mind.
Well, in an RPG one can sit still in a chair or do a walking meditation.
Funny, but it's not the same. I don't know maybe it is, however "reality" has the ultimate immersion factor for now.
Exactly, not that I'm against VR, but we all seek some escape from reality. Reading a book, watching a movie.
In fact I used to read a lot, just same computer games as book/stories with better interaction/immersion.
My comment was intended to be tongue-in-cheek.
Both of you are, of course, correct.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
It's just a form of entertainment.
Meditation is an attempt to perceive truth; to directly perceive a reality consistent with modern physics.Why do some people want to use so much time in meditation? Is it not enough to understand the physical world? Is meditation a form of trying to escape truth?
You can study physics and chemistry, and learn to predict how matter and energy will interact mathematically, but you won't directly experience relativity or quantum mechanics. They remain wildly counterintuitive.
Meditation is an attempt to 'short circuit' the brain into shutting down normal sensory pathways and forcing it into self-generating -- or perhaps tapping in to -- an alternative reality.
What, exactly, is an "inner world?"
Dreams, for example, are inner worlds. They're realities entirely created in your head. Similarly, waking-state is another inner world -- created entirely in your head.
Meditation is an attempt to "wake up" to other states; to 'expanded' realities more consistent with cosmology as understood by theoretical physics.
It's a dopamine high; a cyber drug. Dopamine is Linked to Video Game Addiction.