• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Vivek...

robocop (actually)

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Vivek does not please me.

He's in DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency), a non-official department together with Elon where he still has to act with congress.

It has cutting waste, deregulation and government efficiency (like the swamp).

So I guess I'm sad he is doing something so important but glad he is limited. Overall I'm very relieved. He always terrorized me.
Also he seems to at least have a good heart.
 
W

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
One of the biggest sources of waste in the US Government is connected to New Administrations, adding new programs, which get funded to last, say, 5 years. After the five years, when the funding ends, the people do not go away, but they get internally funded with funny money that is not appropriated by Congress. The Government never shrinks to keep the funding promises. Some of it has to do with Unions and not being able to fire people. This is part of the fraud in Government. There is also money appropriated that was more than was needed; COVID fund. This money gets warehoused or stolen, but not given back.

The Department of Education was actually formed via an Executive Order by President Jimmy Carter. Trump can end it with an Executive order since it was never approved by Congress. Their power and money will go to the states. The one size fits all approach, from central control, does not take into account the different needs of rural and urban. The states can do this better. Plus the Department of Education has been a propaganda house that is designed to rot the brain's of young people with DNC propaganda.

The reason Trump chose Vivek and Elon are both are outsiders and neither are beholden to the bureaucracy they wish to improve. Plus they are both very rich and cannot be bribed or intimidated, since they are both too self sufficient. The goal of making the Government more efficient, has been tried before; Ronald Regan, but Regan appointed people from the inside, so bribes and intimidation ruined their efforts. Trump understands if you give the Democrats an insider say, they will use it to sabotage the efforts.

Elon and Vivek are putting together a larger team from outside Government. Most will be leaders in Industry where efficiency is necessary to be competitive. A Government monopoly is subject to bloat since bloat means more chiefs and power. This Government is not designed for the people, but for the Bureaucracy.

Agencies, like FEMA, due to DEI, has also shown how politics has entered Government, with the DNC using tax dollars, like their private slush fund, for disaster relief discrimination; punish the opposition. The secret service DEI did it to Trump. These crooked people will be weeded out and all DEI removed. Government needs to be for all people and not just the Swamp. You will need the best people and not the most beholden to run a leaner Government, with the more efficient work load.
 
anotherneil

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
robocop (actually) said:
Vivek does not please me.

He's in DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency), a non-official department together with Elon where he still has to act with congress.

It has cutting waste, deregulation and government efficiency (like the swamp).

So I guess I'm sad he is doing something so important but glad he is limited. Overall I'm very relieved. He always terrorized me.
Also he seems to at least have a good heart.
Click to expand...
What do you mean he always terrorized you? Do you know him personally and he did things specifically to you to terrorize you, or what?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
www.nytimes.com

Vivek Ramaswamy Returns to Push His Plans to Slash the Government

The wealthy entrepreneur, tapped by Donald Trump to co-lead an outside effort focused on “efficiency,” campaigned on an assertion that the president has the power to fire 75 percent of the federal work force.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
Excerpted...
His plan, he freely said, was radical: slashing the federal work force by 75 percent, 50 percent in Year 1, and eliminating large swaths of the federal government.
Click to expand...
This is either a lie, or it's sincered.
The latter is dangerous.
Why?
Transitioning 75% of the federal work force would
mean new hires learning much on-the-job. Hiring
that many people would mean difficulty getting
& vetting qualified people. The transition would
mean new & old workers simultaneously managing
the transition.
Eliminating workers would mean that either the work
doesn't get done, or it's sloughed off onto workers
already doing another job.
Ever talk to the IRS about problems? It takes them
months to follow up on each interaction. It can take
years to finalize things like a tax return for a deceased
relative. They lack dedicated trained personnel.
I've dealt with other federal agencies too, eg, FBI, DHS.
The only time they act quickly & decisively is when they
want to over-react to events triggering security theater.

Government needs some efficiency improvemenets.
But simplistic promises to fire many, & re-hire fewer
will only make things worse.
 
Last edited:
W

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
www.nytimes.com

Vivek Ramaswamy Returns to Push His Plans to Slash the Government

The wealthy entrepreneur, tapped by Donald Trump to co-lead an outside effort focused on “efficiency,” campaigned on an assertion that the president has the power to fire 75 percent of the federal work force.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
Excerpted...

This is either a lie, or it's sincered.
The latter is dangerous.
Why?
Transitioning 75% of the federal work force would
mean new hires learning much on-the-job. Hiring
that many people would mean difficulty getting
& vetting qualified people. The transition would
mean new & old workers simultaneously managing
the transition.
Eliminating workers would mean that either the work
doesn't get done, or it's sloughed off onto workers
already doing another job.
Ever talk to the IRS about problems? It takes them
months to follow up on each interaction. It can take
years to finalize things like a tax return for a deceased
relative. They lack dedicated trained personnel.
I've dealt with other federal agencies too, eg, FBI, DHS.
The only time they act quickly & decisively is when they
want to over-react to events triggering security theater.

Government needs some efficiency improvemenets.
But simplistic promises to fire many, & re-hire fewer
will only make things worse.
Click to expand...
Currently, about 70% of the Federal Government workforce still work remotely; lingering COVID fad.

Almost 70% of federal employees still telework, OPM poll finds

Since government still functions with remote employees, that means you could shift government employees to the states and they could run the Government from a distance. You could even move blocks of Government, to the States, Department of Agriculture to Ohio. Workers in California, Florida and other agricultural states, could work remotely, connected to the mother ship in Ohio, as just easy as to Washington. This also puts agricultural expertise, near the farmers, in many states, making it more responsive to end user needs.

Centralized control makes it more corruptible. One stop shopping for quid pro quo. Spreading out the government also makes corruption harder, since you cannot have direct meetings in clandestine places, very easy. These meetings may need to be done over the internet or phones, which are not as private; deterrent.

I worked for Government; DOE, during the Reagan years, and I agreed with his Government cost cutting approach. I was even a victim of it. I lost funding for a contined stay at the Oak Ridge National Lab, while my FBI Q-clearance was processed, so I could work at the Y-12 plant in Oak Ridge. It was an interesting place to work, having been built as part of the Manhattan Project; living museum.

When I finally started to work, I tried to be more efficient and save money. But the bureaucracy would fill in the open spots, rather than maintain the savings. Each June we had June Jubilee, where you would spent all your left over money, on your work wish list. Then you get a new batch of money, for the next fiscal year. Being efficient makes you an outsider, so eventually you needed to comply to get along. I remember one year going way over budget and everyone seemed happier. Go figure! There is room to improve.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
wellwisher said:
Currently, about 70% of the Federal Government workforce still work remotely; lingering COVID fad.

Almost 70% of federal employees still telework, OPM poll finds

Since government still functions with remote employees, that means you could shift government employees to the states and they could run the Government from a distance. You could even move blocks of Government, to the States, Department of Agriculture to Ohio. Workers in California, Florida and other agricultural states, could work remotely, connected to the mother ship in Ohio, as just easy as to Washington. This also puts agricultural expertise, near the farmers, in many states, making it more responsive to end user needs.
Click to expand...
There's merit in that approach.
I know people who work remotely. Most
occasionally go to the physical office, so
living near it limits the ability to live far away.
I don't know to what extent the fed gov could
migrate its workforce to cheaper locations.
wellwisher said:
Centralized control makes it more corruptible. One stop shopping for quid pro quo. Spreading out the government also makes corruption harder, since you cannot have direct meetings in clandestine places, very easy. These meetings may need to be done over the internet or phones, which are not as private; deterrent.
Click to expand...
Even with remote workers, government control
is centralized. I'm skeptical that corruption would
be reduced by using more remote workers.
wellwisher said:
I worked for Government; DOE, during the Reagan years, and I agreed with his Government cost cutting approach. I was even a victim of it. I lost funding for a contined stay at the Oak Ridge National Lab, while my FBI Q-clearance was processed, so I could work at the Y-12 plant in Oak Ridge. It was an interesting place to work, having been built as part of the Manhattan Project; living museum.

When I finally started to work, I tried to be more efficient and save money. But the bureaucracy would fill in the open spots, rather than maintain the savings. Each June we had June Jubilee, where you would spent all your left over money, on your work wish list. Then you get a new batch of money, for the next fiscal year. Being efficient makes you an outsider, so eventually you needed to comply to get along. I remember one year going way over budget and everyone seemed happier. Go figure! There is room to improve.
Click to expand...
I've worked for both government & government
contractors. I've seen what you say.
 
anotherneil

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
robocop (actually) said:
He is a libertarian. He wants survival to be based on nature. His ten truths or shrouded in greed. He would be a huge detriment to society and culturer.
Click to expand...
I'm a libertarian & libertarianism isn't a bad thing. As for the rest of your stuff, I don't know where you got it from or what it's supposed to mean, but it's not an argument, just a bunch of claims.
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
robocop (actually) said:
My brothers are split on whether they like Elon.
Click to expand...
Elon is from South Africa. Can't we deport him?

These guys are Beavis and Butthead, and there's no reason their ideas should b taken seriously. Neither has any experience in government, and neither seems to have much moral sense.

The thing is these MAGA nutcases, including the mental disturbed criminal president elect, are going to do what they want, and only congress will have any power to keep them from screwing things up too badly. Frankly these MAGAs remind me of adolescent boys who want to egg the neighbors house because they lack the maturity to help their community. These rich jerks don't care what happens. The USA is like an ant farm to them, and if society collapses it will be an amusement. And so what that their experiment failed. They won't be affected.
 
Last edited:
W

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
F1fan said:
Elon is from South Africa. Can't we deport him?

These guys are Beavis and Butthead, and there's no reason their ideas should b taken seriously. Neither has any experience in government, and neither seems to have much moral sense.

The thing is these MAGA nutcases, including the mental disturbed criminal president elect, are going to do what they want, and only congress will have any power to keep them from screwing things up too badly. Frankly these MAGAs remind me of adolescent boys who want to egg the neighbors house because they lack the maturity to help their community. These rich jerks don't care what happens. The USA is like an ant farm to them, and if society collapses it will be an amusement. And so what that their experiment failed. They won't be affected.
Click to expand...
Elon has business sense and if we could make government more business like, the Government could turn a profit instead of add more to the debt. You need someone from the outside, who is required, by necessity, to be more innovative and cost effective. Anyone from the inside, has been spoiled, and will not make the needed changes, due to lack of efficiency experience. All they know is waste.

A Recent Supreme Court decision has reaffirmed the Constitutional separation of powers and how Congress makes all laws and spends all the tax money. What had happened was the bureaucratic state, has taken over some of the Congressional role; adding regulations and fines (taxes). Agency have been doing the job go Congress while not approved by Congress. The Democrats found a way around the Constitution to grow government and fleece America.

That is now illegal and all such Agency overreach can be stopped with Executive Action. I heard an estimate that the Government spend 1/2 $trillion more than Congress approved; over reach factor. That is Unconstitutional money and it can be taken back. That will shrink the worse offenders. This is before waste, theft and corruption with appropriated funds.

What I like about DOGE, is it is only designed to last until July 4, 2016. It is not going to be a new Agency, forever, like the rest. By example, it will expire when it supposed t,o and not linger. Elon and Vivek are not here to pad a career until retirement. It is now do the job and leave. This will be part of the new Government model. The Swamp are those who linger for decades and by outlasting elected officials, think they own the store. There are also swamp politicians who do the same; Schumer, Pelosi and Biden.

The crooks will try to protect their illegal interests, but Vivek and Elon had some innovative counter methods.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top