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Voted for Trump
- Thread starter Thief
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Good job.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
there is an electoral college
but the people at large vote for the president
There is a popular vote, but it is unclear how much it matters, if at all. The Electoral College gets to vote directly for the POTUS.
The electoral college votes for what the majority decides except in very rare cases that districts do not accurately reflect the populace enough to swing the points. Clear winners will always get the electoral college of any given state.
For example in the primaries I did only see one state where this was an issue, Montana I think can't remember, its when the vote is so close that not redistricting would be an issue.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's why it's rigged. The electorate are actually elected representatives within the Goverment itself. Not any of the voting populous.
I'm putting it for Trump as well but in reality it's only a suggestion in hopes the electorate votes faithfully the will of the people and not his/her personal bias.
The system really sucks and smells so corrupt.
Seemed to work well enough for the primaries. Majority vote seemed to get the candidacy. Aside from the fact that quite a few states(18) don't let independents vote in the primaries.
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks...
This got pretty confusding..lol...
Are you guys saying that you vote - buit it might not actually matter anyway..?...
How can a vote be "so close" that it needs someone else to decide its outcome..?...Seems ridiculous - you all vote - you count whos for Who - majority wins - obvious...How can there ever be a "vote that is too close" unless they are actually numerically equal then there is ALWAYS a clear winner - isnt there..??... Are you sayingthen that no matter what - this "electoral college" gets the last say..??...
Wow - If im seeing this right then you guys are being played for mugs arent you..??...They PRETEND to give you power to choose - but really - seems you dont ACTUALLY have that power at all then..??...
This got pretty confusding..lol...
Are you guys saying that you vote - buit it might not actually matter anyway..?...
How can a vote be "so close" that it needs someone else to decide its outcome..?...Seems ridiculous - you all vote - you count whos for Who - majority wins - obvious...How can there ever be a "vote that is too close" unless they are actually numerically equal then there is ALWAYS a clear winner - isnt there..??... Are you sayingthen that no matter what - this "electoral college" gets the last say..??...
Wow - If im seeing this right then you guys are being played for mugs arent you..??...They PRETEND to give you power to choose - but really - seems you dont ACTUALLY have that power at all then..??...
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
So if Trump becomes President will the system still be unacceptably corrupt then or will it be okay because you got your way?
I never vote with an expectation of winning.
Just to register an opinion.
In MI, my presidential vote has a vanishingly small possibility of mattering,
since it's a winner take all state favoring the Democrat de jour.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's only presidential. Local and state government your vote directly counts.
Not so with presidential elections.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I can't picture a Democrat elector voting Republican. 50 years of life so far and I still don't understand how the electoral college is fair and impartial.
It wasn't created for that purpose.
It was supposed to give the elites the power to choose a
president when the electorate made the wrong choice.
It really isn't as complex as it sounds, although it is not just popular vote.
Each state is assigned a number of delegates to the Electoral College, very roughly based on population. Each state can make it's own rules about how the delegates from their state are apportioned. 48 states have "winner take all" systems, 2 divide their state into a few districts.
There are two big problems with this. For one, a candidate could legitimately win without the popular vote. This showed up in 2000, when Gore clearly won by half a million but a big state run by Bush's brother dithered around until the knife edge count got pushed to him.
Another problem is what Rev referred to, voter suppression. In many states the history is such that the winner can be easily called months before the election. This is true for both parties. What that does is generally suppress voter engagement. People just find other things to focus on and other things to do on election day.
There is a movement afoot to change that by getting states to pass legislation to require their delegates to vote for the national popular winner. I think that would be a much more valuable thing to "shake up the system " than voting for buffoon or third parties.
Tom
This time around, the buffoon looks like the best choice.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Um, no.
There's a very good reason for why that is... And it's part why our system is superior to other Democracies in the world that rely on popular votes to elect people to positions of power. It's also something our founding fathers came up with - not some conspiracy against the losers...
Maybe you should research more
http://people.howstuffworks.com/question472.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/lessons/davidwalbert7232004-02/electoralcollege.html
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
The Republicans (Trump supporters) who are complaining about this now are fully aware that G.W. Bush lost the popular vote yet still became President, right?
Is the system still "rigged" if it works in your favor?
Is the system still "rigged" if it works in your favor?
Perhaps if you were more engaged you wouldn't just listen to NPR and do the opposite of what they suggest.
Tom
Again, you should ask more questions, & make fewer pronouncements.Perhaps if you were more engaged you wouldn't just listen to NPR and do the opposite of what they suggest.
Tom
I get the vast majority of my news from printed sources....NYT, WSJ, Wa Po, Hu Po, Fox, Wikipedia, etc.
Might thou instead be the one trapped in the echo chamber?