Voter Fraud Commission

[Nous]

Sure it is possible. It's called a National ID card and that is Constitutional.

BTW, what does any of that mean? Cite the case law you are referring to.

 

[David1967]

Trump and staff had their first voter commission meeting. Is this any different than Obama investiiging voter integrity. It seems like Trumps motives are a bit different, he isn't looking for mm to improve voteing but is trying to find fraud. I am all for voter integrity but feel like Republicans have there own interests in mind when it comes to vote rigging and gerrymandering.

Democrats request Kobach removal from voting commission - CNNPolitics.com

If there really is a problem with voter fraud then it certainly needs to be addressed. But it would have to be completely non partisan or the investigation would be a joke.

 

[esmith]

BTW, what does any of that mean? Cite the case law you are referring to.

You said "I don't see the commission persuading Congress or states to enact any new voting requirements--at least nothing that will be held Constitutional"
The Congress could be persuaded( with difficultly) to require everyone to have a National ID card that conformed to the "Real ID Act of 2005). This ID card would be required to vote(and is Constitutional) just as identification that conforms to the Act is required to board an aircraft. Don't think it will happen though.

 

[tytlyf]

Sure it is possible. It's called a National ID card and that is Constitutional.
Yes one can suspect voter fraud by comparing voter rolls by a simple computer program that sorts. Geesh

National ID card for voting? What will that help? The elderly and poor?
Which one of your CE's told you about this computer algorithm? Never heard that, got a link?

 

[idav]

You said "I don't see the commission persuading Congress or states to enact any new voting requirements--at least nothing that will be held Constitutional"
The Congress could be persuaded( with difficultly) to require everyone to have a National ID card that conformed to the "Real ID Act of 2005). This ID card would be required to vote(and is Constitutional) just as identification that conforms to the Act is required to board an aircraft. Don't think it will happen though.

Voter ID I think is overkill. We are just required to be a citizen and are not required to vote. I highly doubt a person would have the ability to get citizen ID without being a citizen. Ive seen no evidence of illegals even being able to vote but all states are different.

 

[esmith]

National ID card for voting? What will that help? The elderly and poor?

Well around 60% of U.S. citizens support photo ID for voting Four in Five Americans Support Voter ID Laws, Early Voting

Which one of your CE's told you about this computer algorithm? Never heard that, got a link?

Well unfortunately if you have zero knowledge of computer programing, which it appears you don't, I wouldn't know where to start explaining it to you. However, you might be able to handle BASIC as a starter since it was developed in 1963, but I seriously doubt you would be able to even start understanding the SQL programing language which would be the language of choice for this task. However, if you want a basic idea try
Intro to SQL: Querying and managing data | Khan Academy

 

[Underhill]

If these problems were legitimate they wouldn't have put a shill like Kobach in charge of the commission. You cannot claim to be looking for the truth and then put a well known liar and partisan hack in charge. The commission is a joke.

The absurdity is that studies have been done about this, many times. They've all come to the same conclusion. The problem is vastly overblown.

 

[Nous]

You said "I don't see the commission persuading Congress or states to enact any new voting requirements--at least nothing that will be held Constitutional"
The Congress could be persuaded( with difficultly) to require everyone to have a National ID card that conformed to the "Real ID Act of 2005). This ID card would be required to vote(and is Constitutional) just as identification that conforms to the Act is required to board an aircraft. Don't think it will happen though.

There is no rational reason to believe that this commission will find any evidence of significant voter impersonation fraud, much less any that could be cured by multi-billion dollar legislation of national ID cards for voting. The last thing Kobach wants is to ensure that all people who may rightfully vote are allowed to vote.

 

[Mister Emu]

The absurdity is that studies have been done about this, many times. They've all come to the same conclusion.

That isn't true. Some have come to the conclusion that our voter laws could allow as many as 2-3 million illegal voters.

 

[esmith]

There is no rational reason to believe that this commission will find any evidence of significant voter impersonation fraud, much less any that could be cured by multi-billion dollar legislation of national ID cards for voting. The last thing Kobach wants is to ensure that all people who may rightfully vote are allowed to vote.

In reference to National ID do we not basically already have that, except that the States issue the ID? It's called Real ID

 

[tytlyf]

Well around 60% of U.S. citizens support photo ID for voting Four in Five Americans Support Voter ID Laws, Early Voting

As you know, I could care less about what most Americans think. The majority aren't very bright. What you're failing to grasp is that there isn't a need for ID's because there isn't voting fraud.

Well unfortunately if you have zero knowledge of computer programing, which it appears you don't, I wouldn't know where to start explaining it to you. However, you might be able to handle BASIC as a starter since it was developed in 1963, but I seriously doubt you would be able to even start understanding the SQL programing language which would be the language of choice for this task. However, if you want a basic idea try
Intro to SQL: Querying and managing data | Khan Academy

I'll give you another try for the source I requested. Who told you that about computer algorithms being able to determine voter fraud?
Don't change the subject, someone taught you that. Feel free to post the link.

 

[Underhill]

That isn't true. Some have come to the conclusion that our voter laws could allow as many as 2-3 million illegal voters.

Show me one. The only time anyone comes to that conclusion is when some right wing group uses fuzzy math. Those who actually look for real data all come to the same conclusion.

 

[esmith]

As you know, I could care less about what most Americans think. The majority aren't very bright. What you're failing to grasp is that there isn't a need for ID's because there isn't voting fraud.

Now we come down to the crux of the issue. You are not willing to accept the wishes of the majority unless they agree with you. That's typical of most liberals.

I'll give you another try for the source I requested. Who told you that about computer algorithms being able to determine voter fraud?
Don't change the subject, someone taught you that. Feel free to post the link.

Again another person who can't read or comprehend what they read. I said "

Yes one can suspect voter fraud by comparing voter rolls by a simple computer program that sorts. Geesh

Guess you should go back to reading more vice just watching TV and listing to the radio, maybe that could improve your reading and comprehension skills

 

[metis]

A real conservative should be highly suspicious of allotting federal power to what has always been a state jurisdiction. But then so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" that I know are really pseudo-conservatives. They want less power in the the hands of the fed-- until they control the fed. And this is why even some red states are not cooperating with Trump's obsession.

 

[Mister Emu]

Show me one. The only time anyone comes to that conclusion is when some right wing group uses fuzzy math. Those who actually look for real data all come to the same conclusion.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...gggMAE&usg=AFQjCNHkMx1JhZDnrEDcxErdoV15HCCSLg

 

[idav]

I'll give you another try for the source I requested. Who told you that about computer algorithms being able to determine voter fraud?
Don't change the subject, someone taught you that. Feel free to post the link.

They can't even predict a winner good luck predicting people who will try to cheat. Governments gotta be smarter than who ever is hacking them and we have roughly 50 governments not to mention every county doing things differently.

 

[tytlyf]

Now we come down to the crux of the issue. You are not willing to accept the wishes of the majority unless they agree with you. That's typical of most liberals.

I'll play. So post the source to your 'study'. I bet you can't. Because conservatives make crap up all day long.

Guess you should go back to reading more vice just watching TV and listing to the radio, maybe that could improve your reading and comprehension skills

I'd suggest you back up your statement below.

Yes one can suspect voter fraud by comparing voter rolls by a simple computer program that sorts.

Tick tock

 

[esmith]

I'll play. So post the source to your 'study'. I bet you can't. Because conservatives make crap up all day long.
Four in Five Americans Support Voter ID Laws, Early Voting



I'd suggest you back up your statement below.

Tick tock

I do not have the time nor inclination to attempt to show you how to manage a database.. So, I will concede and say you are right. There is no way you can compare various databases a derive a possible indication that dead people are voting that people are registering to vote that people are using stolen identification to vote, that there are more registered members of one party in a district than the voting population, that people are registered to vote in more than one district or state
. So I'm done. You win.

So by the way

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Trump and staff had their first voter commission meeting. Is this any different than Obama investiiging voter integrity. It seems like Trumps motives are a bit different, he isn't looking for mm to improve voteing but is trying to find fraud. I am all for voter integrity but feel like Republicans have there own interests in mind when it comes to vote rigging and gerrymandering.

Democrats request Kobach removal from voting commission - CNNPolitics.com

"I am all for voter integrity"

Everyone is for voter "integrity", that is what makes it such an easy target for the politicians. The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence of leprechauns and there is no evidence of widespread frequent voter fraud. It is a boogeyman politicians use to push laws that they know are going to give them or their party an edge in the elections.

 

[Valjean]

That isn't true. Some have come to the conclusion that our voter laws could allow as many as 2-3 million illegal voters.

The operative word being "could." It's a high risk, low benefit crime.

Now we come down to the crux of the issue. You are not willing to accept the wishes of the majority unless they agree with you. That's typical of most liberals

You've got it completely backward, esmith. The majority already agrees with us. If the majority voted the GOP would be defeated almost every time, except in a few local elections.

Why do you think they are so keen on gerrymandering, caging, interstate crosscheck and a dozen other voter suppression and cancellation methodologies? Why the flurry of new voting restrictions after the Voting Rights Act was gutted in '13?

No, liberals believe in equality and fair play. It's the Republicans who believe in end-justifies-means and all's fair in love and politics.
Liberals want everyone to vote. Republicans are the ones always looking for ways to suppress voters.