Voter ID. Do you agree or disagree?

[We Never Know]

Keep in mind you have to have drivers license/ID to drive. Or even a non-drivers ID to do most anything. If you don't have it on you, guess what,,,
you will get a ticket.
you can't buy alcohol
you can't buy cigarettes
yiu can't get insurance
yiu can't buy fuel injector cleaner
you can't buy many medications
you can't get into a bar
you can't buy certain glue's
you can't visit a prisoner
you can't get a fishing license
you can' get a trout tag
you can't get a hunting license
you can't get a deer tag
you can't get a turkey tag
you can't buy a firearm
you can't buy ammuntion
you can't open a checking account
you can't enter a federal building
you can't fly
you can't get a post office box
you can't be an organ donor
you can't get credit
you can't pick your kids up from school
you can't register your kids in school
you can't get a primary Dr
you can't get your kids a Dr or dentist
you can't do many many other things.

AND HERES THE CLENCHER..... TO EVEN REGISTER TO VOTE you need an ID so how is having a voter ID interfering with anyone's right to vote?

So why is anyone against voter ID?

Edit....

Common sense will fail here because politics will try to be used as a weasel way to get around it.

 

[Secret Chief]

Keep in mind you have to have drivers license/ID to drive. Or even a non-drivers ID to do most anything. If you don't have it on you, guess what,,,
you will get a ticket.
you can't buy alcohol
you can't buy cigarettes
yiu can't get insurance
yiu can't buy fuel injector cleaner
you can't buy many medications
you can't get into a bar
you can't buy certain glue's
you can't visit a prisoner
you can't get a fishing license
you can' get a trout tag
you can't get a hunting license
you can't get a deer tag
you can't get a turkey tag
you can't buy a firearm
you can't buy ammuntion
you can't open a checking account
you can't enter a federal building
you can't fly
you can't get a post office box
you can't do many other things.

AND HERES THE CLENCHER..... TO EVEN REGISTER TO VOTE you need an ID so how is having a voter ID interfering with anyone's right to vote?

So why is anyone against voter ID?

In the UK there is very little voter fraud. Voter ID is being promoted because it prevents voter fraud. So it solves a problem which does not exist. Why would that be? Could that proferred reason be a front for the real reason?

 

[We Never Know]

In the UK there is very little voter fraud. Voter ID is being promoted because it prevents voter fraud. So it solves a problem which does not exist. Why would that be? Could that proferred reason be a front for the real reason?

Do you have to have an ID to register to vote? If yes then why is a voter ID a problem?
When a person shows and ID to reg8ster to vote, a voter ID should be issued.

 

[74x12]

In the UK there is very little voter fraud. Voter ID is being promoted because it prevents voter fraud. So it solves a problem which does not exist. Why would that be? Could that proferred reason be a front for the real reason?

How do you know there is "very little" voter fraud in the UK? How would you even know?

 

[Secret Chief]

Do you have to have an ID to register to vote?

No.

 

[We Never Know]

No.

Really? So anyone can walk in from anywhere and register to vote.

So if I walked in with a disguise I could register to vote more than once?

 

[Secret Chief]

How do you know there is "very little" voter fraud in the UK? How would you even know?

I know because it is a fact. Unless you think it's like political dark matter - it's there but impossible to detect.

"In 2018, there was no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud.

Of the 266 cases that were investigated by the police, one led to a conviction, and two suspects accepted police cautions.

In 2017, there was one conviction and eight suspects accepted police cautions."

- Electoral fraud data

The UK population is 66 million. One conviction.

 

[Secret Chief]

Really? So anyone can walk in from anywhere and register to vote.

So if I walked in with a disguise I could register to vote more than once?

No. Registration forms are sent to households to complete, the so-called "electoral register."
When a person votes, their name is deleted at the time of voting.

 

[exchemist]

Keep in mind you have to have drivers license/ID to drive. Or even a non-drivers ID to do most anything. If you don't have it on you, guess what,,,
you will get a ticket.
you can't buy alcohol
you can't buy cigarettes
yiu can't get insurance
yiu can't buy fuel injector cleaner
you can't buy many medications
you can't get into a bar
you can't buy certain glue's
you can't visit a prisoner
you can't get a fishing license
you can' get a trout tag
you can't get a hunting license
you can't get a deer tag
you can't get a turkey tag
you can't buy a firearm
you can't buy ammuntion
you can't open a checking account
you can't enter a federal building
you can't fly
you can't get a post office box
you can't be an organ donor
you can't get credit
you can't pick your kids up from school
you can't register your kids in school
you can't get a primary Dr
you can't get your kids a Dr or dentist
you can't do many many other things.

AND HERES THE CLENCHER..... TO EVEN REGISTER TO VOTE you need an ID so how is having a voter ID interfering with anyone's right to vote?

So why is anyone against voter ID?

Edit....

Common sense will fail here because politics will try to be used as a weasel way to get around it.

Most of the things on that list are one-off administrative procedures, in which various alternative forms of evidence of identity are accepted, and well over half are for pursuits that are irrelevant to poor people. This list reeks of the lifestyle assumptions of a complacent middle class American.

At least make some effort to see life through their eyes, before you pooh-pooh the problem of demanding voter ID.

If you have neither a car nor a passport, what are people going to use? Or are you telling me everyone will need to apply , in writing, for the right to vote, in order to get issued with a special voter's ID card?

And above all, what problem does this solve, given that levels of voting fraud are vanishingly tiny? The only problem I can see that it solves is reducing the number of poor (black) voters that can jump through the necessary administrative hoops. It's just a way of making it harder to vote.

 

[We Never Know]

No. Registration forms are sent to households to complete, the so-called "electoral register."
When a person votes, their name is deleted at the time of voting.

So could a household be someone that is not legal in the country?

 

[We Never Know]

Most of the things on that list are one-off administrative procedures, in which various alternative forms of evidence of identity are accepted, and well over half are for pursuits that are irrelevant to poor people. This list reeks of the lifestyle assumptions of a complacent middle class American.

At least make some effort to see life through their eyes, before you pooh-pooh the problem of demanding voter ID.

Everything I listed impacts my life at least several times a week. They all require a state ID.

 

[exchemist]

Everything I listed impacts my life at least several times a week. They all require a state ID.

What nonsense. You don't buy fuel injector cleaner several times a week, do you? And how many times a week do you buy a gun or ammunition? Or a hunting licence? Or apply to be an organ donor? Come off it.

 

[We Never Know]

Keep in mind you have to have drivers license/ID to drive. Or even a non-drivers ID to do most anything. If you don't have it on you, guess what,,,
you will get a ticket.
you can't buy alcohol
you can't buy cigarettes
yiu can't get insurance
yiu can't buy fuel injector cleaner
you can't buy many medications
you can't get into a bar
you can't buy certain glue's
you can't visit a prisoner
you can't get a fishing license
you can' get a trout tag
you can't get a hunting license
you can't get a deer tag
you can't get a turkey tag
you can't buy a firearm
you can't buy ammuntion
you can't open a checking account
you can't enter a federal building
you can't fly
you can't get a post office box
you can't be an organ donor
you can't get credit
you can't pick your kids up from school
you can't register your kids in school
you can't get a primary Dr
you can't get your kids a Dr or dentist
you can't do many many other things.

AND HERES THE CLENCHER..... TO EVEN REGISTER TO VOTE you need an ID so how is having a voter ID interfering with anyone's right to vote?

So why is anyone against voter ID?

Edit....

Common sense will fail here because politics will try to be used as a weasel way to get around it.

Honestly I think republicans push too hard for voter ID but on the same hand democrats don't want it at all.

In my opinion both are afraid of illegal voters...
The repubs fear they will lose because of them
And the dems fear they can't win without them.
Prove me wrong.......

 

[74x12]

You can't even get a job in USA without a photo ID.

 

[74x12]

I know because it is a fact. Unless you think it's like political dark matter - it's there but impossible to detect.

"In 2018, there was no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud.

Of the 266 cases that were investigated by the police, one led to a conviction, and two suspects accepted police cautions.

In 2017, there was one conviction and eight suspects accepted police cautions."

- Electoral fraud data

The UK population is 66 million. One conviction.

So they told you so and therefore it's a fact. Got it.

 

[We Never Know]

What nonsense. You don't buy fuel injector cleaner several times a week, do you? And how many times a week do you buy a gun or ammunition? Or a hunting licence? Or apply to be an organ donor? Come off it.

Yes I do. I run 4 trucks every day. I put fuel injectors cleaner in them once a week. Plus I also put heet in them once a week.
I buy ammo weekly because it hard to find.
I buy and sell guns any time I can.
Hunting license once a year.(deer and turkey tags twice a year)
Organ donor only when I die.

 

[Secret Chief]

So could a household be someone that is not legal in the country?

Illegal immigrants, almost by definition, want to stay off the radar. Declaring yourself to be at a specific address seems to go against that.

As I have noted, one conviction for fraud in the UK. What is YOUR motivation to set up a new, unnecessary bureaucratic system of ID in the UK?

 

[Secret Chief]

So they told you so and therefore it's a fact. Got it.

I trust the non partisan Electoral Commission over politically motivated rightwing schemers. Got it?

 

[We Never Know]

I trust the non partisan Electoral Commission over politically motivated rightwing schemers. Got it?

I do not trust any American politician. They are all liars, crooks, and only care for themselves.

 

[VoidCat]

This would make it difficult for 18 year olds who choose to still live with their parents while going to college and not yet got a job cuz they are focused on schoolwork. I know you said in a earlier thread you need to be able to show ID to register but here in NC I didnt have to do that I still voted. I didn't have a photo ID and I was born here.