Voter ID. Do you agree or disagree?

[VoidCat]

And I just noticed, you said school ID.. So in fact you did have to show an ID.

Looking at the laws it does seem an ID is required to register. Must've shown my school ID then. Hm. Not a state ID tho.

 

[VoidCat]

Looking at the laws it does seem an ID is required to register. Must've shown my school ID then. Hm. Not a state ID tho.

Or was it my Social security card? I can't remember.
I just know it wasn't a state ID cuz I didnt have it.

 

[VoidCat]

Or was it my Social security card? I can't remember.
I just know it wasn't a state ID cuz I didnt have it.

I do remember including the digits of my social on the form.

 

[We Never Know]

I do remember including the digits of my social on the form.

So in short you ID'd yourself

 

[VoidCat]

You lost me here.

If it's free to go to school why would they pretend to be me to go to school? They could just go as themselves

 

[VoidCat]

So in short you ID'd yourself

But not with a state ID. Might not have with a photo ID what you are proposing

 

[Secret Chief]

I do not trust any American politician. They are all liars, crooks, and only care for themselves.

I'm not enamoured of those of my own country. But worryingly, they are humans, just like me.
Does it attract such people? Does the role tend to make people like that? There are some good uns no doubt, some that go into public service with the best of intentions, but can they remain that way? But yes, some see it as a deceitful means to an end, usually their own.

 

[Estro Felino]

Here I cannot vote unless I have these two documents: valid Identity Card and Electoral Card. The latest certifies I am voting in the poll district I was assigned to at birth.
So...if I live in Rome and I was born in Sicily...I need to go to Sicily to vote. With my electoral card.
After voting I need to sign a register and only then the poll watchers will put a stamp on my electoral card.

No mail in voting allowed.

 

[Kooky]

Do you have to have an ID to register to vote? If yes then why is a voter ID a problem?
When a person shows and ID to reg8ster to vote, a voter ID should be issued.

Do you have to register in order to be allowed to vote?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Honestly I think republicans push too hard for voter ID but on the same hand democrats don't want it at all.

In my opinion both are afraid of illegal voters...
The repubs fear they will lose because of them
And the dems fear they can't win without them.
Prove me wrong.......

But it is also true that the people most likely to have trouble coming up with ID are also those who are most impoverished and/or marginalized. This is much less true among those who tend to vote Republican and those who vote Democrat -- and the Republicans are very well aware of this, and are trying to use it to their advantage.

 

[ecco]

Keep in mind you have to have drivers license/ID to drive. Or even a non-drivers ID to do most anything. If you don't have it on you, guess what,,,
you will get a ticket.
you can't buy alcohol
you can't buy cigarettes
yiu can't get insurance
yiu can't buy fuel injector cleaner
you can't buy many medications
you can't get into a bar
you can't buy certain glue's
you can't visit a prisoner
you can't get a fishing license
you can' get a trout tag
you can't get a hunting license
you can't get a deer tag
you can't get a turkey tag
you can't buy a firearm
you can't buy ammuntion
you can't open a checking account
you can't enter a federal building
you can't fly
you can't get a post office box
you can't be an organ donor
you can't get credit
you can't pick your kids up from school
you can't register your kids in school
you can't get a primary Dr
you can't get your kids a Dr or dentist
you can't do many many other things.

About half the things on your list are nonsensical. Even guns can be bought without an ID.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the UK there is very little voter fraud. Voter ID is being promoted because it prevents voter fraud. So it solves a problem which does not exist. Why would that be? Could that proferred reason be a front for the real reason?

Perhaps the biggest voter fraud problem is the
perception by many that there is voter fraud.
That too is worth preventing.

 

[ecco]

So if I walked in with a disguise I could register to vote more than once?

If you think voting twice is worth the risk of getting convicted of a felony, you must really like the candidate.

But, yes, some people try to do it. In another thread, I showed that in the 2020 presidential election, virtually all the people who got caught and charged were Trump supporters. Members of cults do strange things. They even drink a powdered drink mix lethally laced with cyanide (Jonestown) or phenobarbital mixed with apple sauce or pudding and washed down with vodka (Heaven's Gate)



ETA

Everything I listed impacts my life at least several times a week. They all require a state ID.

You get carded to buy alcohol? You buy several guns per week? You get a turkey hunting license several times every week? You get stopped for speeding several times every week?

Hmm. Do you exaggerate more than several times every week?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Everything I listed impacts my life at least several times a week. They all require a state ID.

And in none of them are your rights violated if you get turned down.

It really comes down to a simple question: do you see it as an unacceptable infringement of fundamental rights when an eligible voter is refused the ability to vote?

- if yes, then you'll recognize the need for policies that allow every eligible voter to vote... even those who don't have photo ID.

- if no, then I have to ask why you don't support democracy.

 

[ecco]

The repubs fear they will lose because of them
And the dems fear they can't win without them.
Prove me wrong.......

The repubs fear they will lose because of them...
Republicans know they will lose elections unless they make voting difficult for marginalized people. They have known this for a hundred years.

Google "poll taxes and voter tests"...

Literacy tests, along with poll taxes, residency and property restrictions, and extra-legal activities (violence and intimidation) were all used to deny suffrage to African Americans. The first formal voter literacy tests were introduced in 1890.​

And the dems fear they can't win without them...
Democrats are rightfully concerned that Republican Trump Sheeples will make voting unreasonably difficult for a significant percentage of its base. This is a fear that is based on knowledge of American history.

 

[ecco]

You can't even get a job in USA without a photo ID.

And yet apparently thousands of illegal immigrants have jobs. What is the point you are trying to make?

 

[Secret Chief]

Perhaps the biggest voter fraud problem is the
perception by many that there is voter fraud.
That too is worth preventing.

And the people driving that false narrative.

 

[Revoltingest]

And the people driving that false narrative.

They have a problem (& cause problems)
that can be addressed by voter ID.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Here I cannot vote unless I have these two documents: valid Identity Card and Electoral Card. The latest certifies I am voting in the poll district I was assigned to at birth.
So...if I live in Rome and I was born in Sicily...I need to go to Sicily to vote. With my electoral card.
After voting I need to sign a register and only then the poll watchers will put a stamp on my electoral card.

No mail in voting allowed.

So how would this approach be applied in countries that have no national identity card, and where people are eligible to vote in the district where they currently reside (even if they moved there the day before the election)?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You can't even get a job in USA without a photo ID.

If you're going to argue that a job is a fundamental right, then I just have to say that this is refreshing to hear from a right-winger.