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Voter ID vs Vaccine Passport

which do you support

  • Voter ID

    Votes: 4 36.4%

  • Covid Passport

    Votes: 2 18.2%

  • Both

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Neither

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Total voters
    11
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Subduction Zone said:
And somehow you are on the wrong side in both cases here.

If you want to claim that voter fraud is a problem the burden of proof lies upon you. I can show you how those laws stop people from voting that have a right to vote.
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Lmao!

I said "There are two sides to every story. Has it happened, yes. Its it a problem... Well some say yes and some say no. We pick which we believe."

How its that anything but honest? Do you live in fantasy land?
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

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Subduction Zone said:
Are you trying not to understand again? How could someone be so ignorant about Covid19 after all of this time?

There is no evidence of vote abuse. There is ample evidence of danger from Covid19. Worse yet, those that are ill with the disease may be spreading it unknowingly for five days or more before the symptoms hit them and become apparent.

Like I said you would probably get it backwards.
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Everything political is corrupt and potentially dangerous. Only fools think otherwise.
 
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We Never Know

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Subduction Zone said:
No, there is only a potential for corruption. That does not mean that it exists.

You really need to drop the paranoia.
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One simple question... In humans and politics does corruption exist?

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History shows that in humanity and politics that corruptions does exist. Its is not a maybe or a potential, it is a certainty.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
One simple question... In humans and politics does corruption exist?
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Your question is pointless. Yes, it exists. But this will not solve it and it does more harm than good. That is the problem. In fact since you are interfering with the voting rights of others the burden of proof is upon you. You need to prove that there is significant voter fraud, something that all of the experts deny exists, and then you need to show that voter ID laws would fix this. I don't think that you can do it.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Subduction Zone said:
Your question is pointless. Yes, it exists. But this will not solve it and it does more harm than good. That is the problem. In fact since you are interfering with the voting rights of others the burden of proof is upon you. You need to prove that there is significant voter fraud, something that all of the experts deny exists, and then you need to show that voter ID laws would fix this. I don't think that you can do it.
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I guess you missed by edit....

Edit...
History shows that in humanity and politics that corruptions does exist. Its is not a maybe or a potential, it is a certainty.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Subduction Zone said:
Your question is pointless. Yes, it exists. But this will not solve it and it does more harm than good. That is the problem. In fact since you are interfering with the voting rights of others the burden of proof is upon you. You need to prove that there is significant voter fraud, something that all of the experts deny exists, and then you need to show that voter ID laws would fix this. I don't think that you can do it.
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Do you agree with an ID needed to..
Drive
Buy cigarettes
Buy alcohol
Buy medications
To open a bank account
To cash a check
Etc etc
AND HERES THE CLENCHER..... TO EVEN REGISTER TO VOTE

So why do you have a problem with voter ID?
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Subduction Zone said:
Your question is pointless. Yes, it exists. But this will not solve it and it does more harm than good. That is the problem. In fact since you are interfering with the voting rights of others the burden of proof is upon you. You need to prove that there is significant voter fraud, something that all of the experts deny exists, and then you need to show that voter ID laws would fix this. I don't think that you can do it.
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You have to have any ID to even register to vote. They then should give a voter ID. How its that interfering with anyone right to vote?

Keep in mind you have to have a drivers licenese/ID to drive. If you don't have it on you, guess what,,, you will get a ticket.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
The motivation behind the passports is to save lives. The motivation behind voter ID is to supress the votes of likely supporters of an opposing political outlook.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
Being an ID is needed to even register to vote, tell me how a voter ID will suppress votes.
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Essentially it is intended as a hoop to jump through. It is known that people in lower socio-economic groups are less likely to have photo ID and are considered more likely to vote for leftwing candidates. Which is why voter ID is an important rightwing project. Photo ID is most commonly a driving licence or passport (in a couple of years I will have neither). Not much else that might be acceptable exists (off the top of my head). Poorer people are less likely to have these. If photo ID cards are to cost, that would be another deliberate disincentive to purchase for such people (compared to better off people). If you're needing to use a food bank regularly, buying cards for politics will not be such a priority.
The motivation for this by rightwingers is so blatant it's a little bit pathetic. Rather like the upcoming attempts at gerrymandering. It's anti-democratic, dressed up with a total lie.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Secret Chief said:
Essentially it is intended as a hoop to jump through. It is known that people in lower socio-economic groups are less likely to have photo ID and are considered more likely to vote for leftwing candidates. Which is why voter ID is an important rightwing project. Photo ID is most commonly a driving licence or passport (in a couple of years I will have neither). Not much else that might be acceptable exists (off the top of my head). Poorer people are less likely to have these. If photo ID cards are to cost, that would be another deliberate disincentive to purchase for such people (compared to better off people). If you're needing to use a food bank regularly, buying cards for politics will not be such a priority.
The motivation for this by rightwingers is so blatant it's a little bit pathetic. Rather like the upcoming attempts at gerrymandering. It's anti-democratic, dressed up with a total lie.
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Now see that makes sense. It about people being poor and not being able to afford an ID.

But then I have to ask... These poor people that more than likely get government help in some way,, how do they get government help with out an ID?
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
So let me get this clear. You want documented proof that someone is safe to travel between countries but not proof someone is legal to vote for leaders for your country?
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I'd say yes voters and no vaccination passports. Going by this idea above, I'd hope only citizens vote since among other reasons it kinda insults the the US. Vaccine passports I see it coming down to force and discrimination. We already see it here. I can't imagine how it would be if non-vaccinated people are forced to stay at home.

I agree with voters passports not vaccination. I'm kinda fuzzy on how they relate. We have IDs to drink but not IDs to buy food.
 
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