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Waht is your opinion about Yazid ibn Mu'awiyah?
- Thread starter mojtaba
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Salam brother
There is also multi-opinion about this issue.
I think most said he made crimes against Al-Hussain,or support it.
Arabic source
Allah knows best.
mojtaba
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Thank you brother for your reply.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
According to Hazrat Founder of Ahmadiyya-Muslim Jama'at:
..our belief that Yazid was an impure person who did not fulfil what a true believer signifies. Love of world had blinded him whereas Hadhrat Hussein (may Allah be pleased with him) was pure and among those chosen people whom God purifies Himself.
Ref: https://www.alislam.org/friday-sermon/printer-friendly-summary-2012-11-23.html
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An Ahmadiyya scholar explains the events:
".....Later, one of the Kharijies killed Hadhrat Ali in 661, thus ending the era of the rightly guided Khulafa. By then, Medina the capital of the Prophet was no more the power center. Muawiyya, who had taken power by force, was the first military and political leader to initiate Caliphate in the sense of hereditary monarchy. Damascus was the capital of his kingdom. According to Professor Hitti, Muawiyya was not only the first, but also one of the best of the Arab kings. He was shrewd, diplomatic, cool and calculating. In his life-time, not only he nominated his own son, Yazid, to be the next ruler, but also made the subject take “Ba’it” (an oath of allegiance) to Yazid in various parts of the empire. He himself went to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina for this purpose. The only persons who refused to make Ba’it were Hadhrat Hussain son of Hadhrat Ali, Abdullah son of Hadhrat Umar, Abdur Rahman son of Hadhrat Abu Bakr, and Abdullah son of Hadhrat Zubair. Their stand was that Khilafat could not be degenerated into a hereditary monarchy. Nevertheless, Yazid, who did not have the moral integrity for being a Khalifa, inherited the kingship from his father in 680 AD. Thus a new phase in the Islamic history started, leading to kingship to be run by members of Umayya family. This phase is distinct from “Khilafat”. The caliphs were successful political leaders, but not necessarily men of moral integrity with full religious knowledge anymore; thus, hereditary monarchy eroded the true nature of Khilafat and it transgressed into royal Caliphate....."
Ref:https://www.alislam.org/topics/khilafat/khilafat-and-caliphate.pdf
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mojtaba
Active Member
Thank you DawudTalut.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
You too. Plz note change in heading of 2nd part.
salam.
i dont know how to explane my ideas in english.
but yazid even did not do and obey the principles of islam and martyred imam hussayn with many of his family members and 72 people of his devoted and loyal companions.
mojtaba
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Salam Sister Zahra and thank you for your good reply.
Servant_of_the_One1
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I make clear takfir against Yazid, i hate him. Anyways i dont like extreme shias at all, the way they talk about sahaba and mothers of believers.
Imam Ali(a.s) said that two kind people are destroyed regarding him. Those who hate him, nasibis.
Those who love him extreme, twelvers ismaelis and nusayris.
Imam Ali(a.s) said that two kind people are destroyed regarding him. Those who hate him, nasibis.
Those who love him extreme, twelvers ismaelis and nusayris.
mojtaba
Active Member
Thank you.
1.Imam Ali(as) meant from his saying,'Those who love me extreme'
those who believe that, Ma'azallah, Imam Ali is Allah, not Shias who believe that he is the first true Successor of Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him and his pure progeny).
2.See the saying of Allah about mother 'Aesha,
If you two repent to God, yet your hearts certainly inclined; but if you support one another against him(i.e, Prophet Muhammad), God is his Protector, and Gabriel, and the righteous among the believers; and, after that, the angels are his supporters.(66:4)
This verse is against 'Aesha and Hafsa(two wives of Prophet-sawaws-). See, Sahih Muslim.
3.Allah has siad to the wives of Prophet,
'Remain in your houses'(33:33). But she didn't do this order of Allah and
came out from her house and fought against Imam Ali(a.s.).
Bukhari has narrated in his book, Sahih al-Bukhari about the war of Jamal and 'Aesha,
"When Talha, AzZubair and `Aisha moved to Basra, `Ali sent `Ammar bin Yasir and Hasan bin `Ali who came to us at Kufa and ascended the pulpit. Al-Hasan bin `Ali was at the top of the pulpit and `Ammar was below Al-Hasan. We all gathered before him. I heard `Ammar saying, "`Aisha has moved to Al-Busra. By Allah! She is the wife of your Prophet in this world and in the Hereafter. But Allah has put you to test whether you obey Him (Allah) or her (`Aisha)."
By Allah, all of these are the narrations of your narrators, not Shias'.
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Al-Salam alykom brother.
As I understand it's was wives jealousy issue., and it's over.
I very doubt that your sources is fabricated, or insert fake hadiths.
That's was a lesson to them and us , how to deal with that.
mojtaba
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Wa AlaykasSalam wa Rahmatullah.
If that was only a simple issue, Allah wouldn't threaten those two wives of Prophet Muhammad(Aesha and Hafsa) in such that heavy manner. See the Sura At-Tahrim(Chapter 66) again.
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I do not know, are Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim, which are after Quran the most authentic books of your, fabricated sources?! Say a thing that you can defend from it.
All the traditions which I brought, are from Sahih Muslim and Al-Bukhari. I also brought their links.
Good luck!
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Good to know brother that you considered it simple issue
I checked at hadith's Arabic sources its does not exit , some said its fabricated.
mojtaba
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I did not say it was a simple issue. Reread my previous post again.Good to know brother that you considered it simple issue
The Hadiths which I mentioned are in Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim, and according to the saying of your eminent scholars, all of the Hadiths of Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim, i.e., Sahihayn are Sahih and authentic.
Ah,I meant they reach Allah forgiveness in end
I notice someone (non-Muslim) give me a hadith source before , and in end I find out it's fabricated site by Western.
this is my hadith source :
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=194&BookID=24
mojtaba
Active Member
I do not see any verse that says this.Ah,I meant they reach Allah forgiveness in end
In addition to Sura At-Tahrim, please consider the killing of many Muslims in the war of Jamal which Aesha was one of its leaders who was not upon the truth and was upon the Al-Batil.
By Allah, do not reply, " 'Ijtahadat wa Akhta'at! "
That site which I brought for you, ie Sunnah.com, is one of the Sunni authentic websites.
Anyways, see the authentic Arabic links.
Hadith one,
Source in Arabic on Sahih Muslim.
Hadith two,
Source in Arabic on Sahih Al-Bukhari.
Waffaqanallah wa 'Iyyakum.
This great accusation against our mother Aicha (pbuh).
http://sayyidali.com/viewpoints/khameneis-aisha-12345.html
I suspect that you don't know why that Sura called Al-Tahrim ?
I will tell you why:
Allah asked Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) why he seperated him self from his wives.,so he forbid what it's halal.
In my view she went to make conciliation between the Sahaba not to make war.
Sorry I find the link in Arabic.
http://www.alserdaab.org/articles.aspx?article_no=920
These are not Hadith directly from prophet Muhammad (pbuh),that's just normal speech by Sahabi reported,which may take the valid or invalid.
let's suppose they are credible, I see no problem.
whatever these quotes is enough to me:
الله إنها لزوجة نبيكم صلى الله عليه وسلم في الدنيا والآخرة
فقلت استغفر لي يا رسول الله وكان أقسم أن لا يدخل عليهن شهرا من شدة موجدته عليهن حتى عاتبه الله عز وجل
As I understand Hafsa (pbuh) was blamed more than Aisha(pbuh) for that jealousy wify problem.
For guiltless of mother Aicha (pbuh) it's mention in Quran ;
24/11:20
Indeed, those who came with falsehood are a group among you. Do not think it bad for you; rather it is good for you. For every person among them is what [punishment] he has earned from the sin, and he who took upon himself the greater portion thereof - for him is a great punishment.
Why, when you heard it, did not the believing men and believing women think good of one another and say, "This is an obvious falsehood"?,
Why did they [who slandered] not produce for it four witnesses? And when they do not produce the witnesses, then it is they, in the sight of Allah , who are the liars.
And if it had not been for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy in this world and the Hereafter, you would have been touched for that [lie] in which you were involved by a great punishment,
When you received it with your tongues and said with your mouths that of which you had no knowledge and thought it was insignificant while it was, in the sight of Allah , tremendous.
And why, when you heard it, did you not say, "It is not for us to speak of this. Exalted are You, [O Allah ]; this is a great slander"?,
Allah warns you against returning to the likes of this [conduct], ever, if you should be believers.
And Allah makes clear to you the verses, and Allah is Knowing and Wise.
Indeed, those who like that immorality should be spread [or publicized] among those who have believed will have a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter. And Allah knows and you do not know.
mojtaba
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May Allah do not forgive me if I want to insult Hadhrat Aesha.
I just reported and will report, what is written in Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim and your other authentic books. If the narrations are the ill of Aesha, it is Al-Bukhari and Muslim and your scholars who have insulted Aesha, not me.
I do not want insult anyone. I want to say you what is in your books. If they are the ill of Aesha, so I am only a reporter, nothing else.
Sura At-Tahrim was revealed for defensing of Almighty Allah from His Prophet, and threatening of Aesha and Hafsa, because they backed each other against him.
Allah says,
If the two of you repent to Allah... for your hearts have certainly swerved, and if you back each other against him, then [know that] Allah is indeed his guardian, and his supporters are Gabriel, the righteous among the faithful and, thereafter, the angels.(66:4)
Prophet made for himself a Halal thing to Haram by an oath, a doing which is lawful. Then Allah siad to His beloved Prophet that you can break your oath.
I only see the defending of Allah from His beloved Prophet, nothing else.
It is said in the article which you brought,
كل من له اطلاع على التأريخ وأحداث موقعة الجمل، وذلك أن هذه المعركة لم تقع بتدبير أحد من الصحابة لا علي ولا طلحة ولا الزبير ولا عائشة
Which says that,' whoever is awar of history, knows that Talha and Az-Zubayr and Aesha did not fight against Imam Ali with an appointment!!!'I do not know, so what is the following which has an authentic chain of the narrators?!
فاجتمعوا فِي بيت عَائِشَة رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهَا ، فأداروا الرأي ، فَقَالُوا : نسير إِلَى علي فنقاتله.
"So they(Talha, Az-Zubayr, etc.) gathered in the house of Aesha. Then said their ideas. Therefore they said,' We will go towards Ali to fight against him."
(Source, Tarikh Al-Tabari)
Also, according to Mutiwatir and authentic Hadiths, Prophet Muhammad said to Aesha not to participate in the war of Jamal(ie, Camel). If she wanted to do a good doing, why did Prophet warned her about the war of Jamal?
See the ff authentic traditions. You can check the chain of the narrators for their authenticity.
1.
عن قَيْسٍ قال لَمَّا بَلَغَتْ عَائِشَةُ بَعْضَ مِيَاه
بَنِي عَامِرٍ لَيْلاً نَبَحَتْ الْكَِلاَبُ عليها
Ghays narrated,بَنِي عَامِرٍ لَيْلاً نَبَحَتْ الْكَِلاَبُ عليها
"(In the War of Jamal) when Aesha arrived to the some wells of Bani 'Amir at the night, the dogs barked for her."
(Source, Musnad Ahmad ibn Hambal,
And Seyr 'A'lam An-Nubala by Az-Zahabi)
Zahabi has said that the tradition is Sahih Al-Isnad. See the source. Other great Sunni scholars has also said that the tradition is Sahih.
2.
أَنّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ، قَالَ لِنِسَائِهِ : " أَيَّتُكُنَّ الَّتِي تَنْبَحُهَا كِلابُ مَاءِ كَذَا وَكَذَا ، إِيَّاكِ يَا حُمَيْرَاءُ " يَعْنِي عَائِشَةَ .
Allah's Apostle said to his wives," For which of you the dogs of so and so region will bark? Behold O Homayra " meaning Aesha.
(Source, Al-Fitan by Naiim ibn Himad)
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " أيتكن صاحبة الجمل الأدبب ، يقتل حواليها قتلى كثيرون ، وتنجو بعدما كادت " .
Allah's Apostle said," Which of you( O my wives ) will sit on a Camle while many people will be killed around her, and she, herself will survive?(Source, Seyri A'lam An-Nubala by Az-Zahabi)
So, Prophet Muhammad warned Aesha about the battle of Jamal.
Also, dear mother Ummi Salama(Radhiyallahu Anhu), another wife of dear Prophet, encouraged Imam Ali to fight against those who made the war of Jamal and said to Imam Ali,' By Allah you are upon the truth and it is with you, if Allah and His Apostle did not order the wives of Prophet, not to come out from their houses, I would surly come with you to helpe you in the war... but I send with you who is dearer from my soul, my son, Umar'
Hakim has said that the narration is Sahih. See, Mustadrak by Hakim.
Allah says that only good wives will be with their husbands in the Paradise,
the Gardens of Eden, which they will enter along with whoever is righteous from among their forebears, their spouses... (13:23).
This part of the narration opposes the Quran. Because, this says that Holy Prophet because of his anger, made an oath that not to have sexual intercourse with any of his wives for a month.
But rather, Quran says that Prophet Muhammad made an oath to seek the pleasure of his wives.
I can not understand that how these verses prove the guiltless of Hadhrat Aesha?!
According to your nsrrations, these verses are about those who made lies agains Aesha and said that Na'uzubillah, she is adulterous(may Allah do not forgive them), and Allah said that they were liar, becsuse they did not bring 4 witnesses for their claim.
Waffaqakallah.
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Ok brother, I discovered that there is different opinion about Aicha (pbuh) travel to Basrah. (Sunni =/ Shia)
I explained/post my sources point,which I believe it's true
May Allah forgive us and guide us to his right way