Waht is your opinion about Yazid ibn Mu'awiyah?

[mojtaba]

Ok brother, I discovered that there is different opinion about Aicha (pbuh) travel to Basrah. (Sunni =/ Shia)

I explained/post my sources point,which I believe it's true

May Allah forgive us and guide us to his right way

Thank you for your dua.

You should know that all of the sourses which I used, were Sunni authentic ones, not Shi'i sources.

Have a nice week!

 

[Godobeyer]

Thank you for your dua.

Also know that all of the sourses which I used, were Sunni authentic ones, not Shi'i sources.

Have a nice week!

for one which claim that our mother Aisha (pbuh) was west to Basra to fought Ali ,is not sunni , it's fabricated/fake source.

have nice week too

 

[mojtaba]

for one which claim that our mother Aisha (pbuh) was west to Basra to fought Ali ,is not sunni , it's fabricated/fake source.

have nice week too

Ok. So Al-Bukhari, Ahmad ibn Hambal, Az-Zahabi, Al-Hakim, etc. were Shia!!!

Good luck!

 

[Godobeyer]

Ok. So Al-Bukhari, Ahmad ibn Hambal, Az-Zahabi, Al-Hakim, etc. were Shia!!!

Good luck!

No , not even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was Shia

For my opinion your source http://sunnah.com/ claim to be hadith and belong to "sunni".

No one "sunni" would agree that our mother Aicha(pbuh) went to Basra to fight Ali.

 

[mojtaba]

No , not even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was Shia

For my opinion your source http://sunnah.com/ claim to be hadith and belong to "sunni".

No one "sunni" would agree that our mother Aicha(pbuh) went to Basra to fight Ali.

My sources were your authentic books, not Sunnah.com website.

Good luck!

 

[Godobeyer]

My sources were your authentic books, not Sunnah.com website.

Good luck!

this is my source http://hadith.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=194&BookID=24

My sources reject the accusation that tells our mother Aicha (pbuh) is fighting against Ali.

good luck

 

[mojtaba]

this is my source http://hadith.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=194&BookID=24

My sources reject the accusation that tells our mother Aicha (pbuh) is fighting against Ali.

good luck

No problem.
See the Hadiths in your source,
1.The narration which says that Sura At-Tahrim sent down against Aesha and Hafsa. See your source.

2.The Hadith which says that in the war of Jamal, people had two choices, 1)following of Allah or 2)following of Aesha. See your source.

3.The Hadith in which Prophet Muhammad warned Aesha about the war of Jamal and ordered her not to make the war which results in killing of many Muslims.

فَقَالَتْ : إِنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ لَنَا ذَاتَ يَوْمٍ : كَيْفَ بِإِحْدَاكُنَّ تَنْبَحُ عَلَيْهَا كِلَابُ الْحَوْأَب​

أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ لِنِسَائِهِ : أَيَّتُكُنَّ صَاحِبَةُ الْجَمَلِ الْأَدْبَبِ - بِهَمْزَةٍ مَفْتُوحَةٍ وَدَالٍ سَاكِنَةٍ ثُمَّ مُوَحَّدَتَيْنِ الْأُولَى مَفْتُوحَةٌ - تَخْرُجُ حَتَّى تَنْبَحَهَا كِلَابُ الْحَوْأَبِ يُقْتَلُ عَنْ يَمِينِهَا وَعَنْ شِمَالِهَا قَتْلَى كَثِيرَةٌ وَتَنْجُو مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا كَادَتْ​

See your source.

So, Holy Prophet(peace be upon him and his pure progeny) warned Aesha about the war of Jamal. If Aesha has a good and acceptable goal for the war of Jamal, so why Prophet(sawaws) warned her?

Also, Prophet Muhammad(sawaws) warned Aesha not to come out from her house against Imam Ali(as.). See your source.

 

[Godobeyer]

No problem.
See the Hadiths in your source,
1.The narration which says that Sura At-Tahrim sent down against Aesha and Hafsa. See your source.

2.The Hadith which says that in the war of Jamal, people had two choices, 1)following of Allah or 2)following of Aesha. See your source.

3.The Hadith in which Prophet Muhammad warned Aesha about the war of Jamal and ordered her not to make the war which results in killing of many Muslims.

فَقَالَتْ : إِنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ لَنَا ذَاتَ يَوْمٍ : كَيْفَ بِإِحْدَاكُنَّ تَنْبَحُ عَلَيْهَا كِلَابُ الْحَوْأَب​

أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ لِنِسَائِهِ : أَيَّتُكُنَّ صَاحِبَةُ الْجَمَلِ الْأَدْبَبِ - بِهَمْزَةٍ مَفْتُوحَةٍ وَدَالٍ سَاكِنَةٍ ثُمَّ مُوَحَّدَتَيْنِ الْأُولَى مَفْتُوحَةٌ - تَخْرُجُ حَتَّى تَنْبَحَهَا كِلَابُ الْحَوْأَبِ يُقْتَلُ عَنْ يَمِينِهَا وَعَنْ شِمَالِهَا قَتْلَى كَثِيرَةٌ وَتَنْجُو مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا كَادَتْ​

See your source.

So, Holy Prophet(peace be upon him and his pure progeny) warned Aesha about the war of Jamal. If Aesha has a good and acceptable goal for the war of Jamal, so why Prophet(sawaws) warned her?

Also, Prophet Muhammad(sawaws) warned Aesha not to come out from her house against Imam Ali(as.). See your source.

1-I think you miss the general point (lesson) of Surah al-Tahrim,and you stuck in details that you don't concern.
it is was about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when he swear to not sleep with his wives for month(forbid), because that demostic problem.(jealousy). so God don't forbid what is "halal"

2- This is not a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). we discuss this before in this post Friday at 4:57 AM#18

3-seems you miss this

أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَلِعَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ : إِنَّهُ سَيَكُونُ بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَ عَائِشَةَ أَمْرٌ ، قَالَ : فَأَنَا أَشْقَاهُمْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ؟ قَالَ : لَا وَلَكِنْ إِذَا كَانَ ذَلِكَ فَارْدُدْهَا إِلَى مَأْمَنِهَا

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Sorry brother I feel that I making sins by speaking for our prophet honor ,"his wives".
I prefer to stop here,I am out of this thread.

May Allah forgive us.

Salam.

 

[mojtaba]

1-I think you miss the general point (lesson) of Surah al-Tahrim,and you stuck in details that you don't concern.
it is was about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when he swear to not sleep with his wives for month(forbid), because that demostic problem.(jealousy). so God don't forbid what is "halal"

Your interpretation doesn't match with the Chapter of At-Taharim.
The first verse of the Sura says that Prophet Muhammad prohibited a thing for himslf to seek the pleasure of his wives. But your interpretation implies that Prophet Muhammad prohibited a thing for himself to punish her wives.
In adition, not to have sexual intercourse with the wives for a month, doesn't seek the pleasure of the wives. While, the verse says that the Holy Prophet sweared to not to do a thing to make his wives happy. Please try to understand the point.

2- This is not a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). we discuss this before in this post Friday at 4:57 AM#18

Ok, but also consider the warning of Prophet Muhammad to Aesha. He said to her frequently that not to come out from her house to making the war of Jamal, and Prophet said to Aesha that this war results in killing of many of the Muslims.
These are the Hadiths of Prophet, don't they?

3-seems you miss this

أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَلِعَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ : إِنَّهُ سَيَكُونُ بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَ عَائِشَةَ أَمْرٌ ، قَالَ : فَأَنَا أَشْقَاهُمْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ؟ قَالَ : لَا وَلَكِنْ إِذَا كَانَ ذَلِكَ فَارْدُدْهَا إِلَى مَأْمَنِهَا

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O yes. This Hadith clearly says that the war of Jamal was between Imam Ali and Aesha(إِنَّهُ سَيَكُونُ بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَ عَائِشَةَ أَمْرٌ, O Ali, an issue will take place between you and Aesha). So, Aesha fought against Imam Ali in the war of Jamal.
Also the tradition says that in this issue, Ali is upon the good. Because after that Imam Ali asked from Prophet that is he the bad one in this issue, Prophet answered him, 'No'.
Translation of the Hadith,

The Apostle said to Ali,
'Certainly an issue(the war of Jamal) will occur between you and Aesha.'
Then Ali asked from Prophet,' O Messenger of Allah, so am I the bad one?'
the Messenger replied,' No[=Aesha is the bad one], but when this issue takes place, send her to her home.'

This Hadith clearly says that an issue, i.e., the war of Jamal, will take place between Imam Ali and Aesha in which Imam Ali is not the bad one.

Sorry brother I feel that I making sins by speaking for our prophet honor ,"his wives".
I prefer to stop here,I am out of this thread.

May Allah forgive us.

Salam.

I do not feel that I am doing sin when I am exploring the truth.

Good luck dear brother!

 

[mojtaba]

Yazid ibn Mu'awaiyah and wining,

ولما دخل المدينة بعث إلى يزيد منها وفدا، فيهم عبد الله بن حنظلة الغسيل الأنصاري ، وعبد الله بن أبي عمرو بن حفص بن المغيرة المخزومي ، والمنذر بن الزبير ، ورجال كثير من أشراف أهل المدينة فقدموا على يزيد، فأكرمهم وأحسن إليهم وأعظم جوائزهم ، ثم انصرفوا راجعين إلى المدينة ، إلا المنذر بن الزبير ، فإنه سار إلى صاحبه عبيد الله بن زيادبالبصرة ، وكان يزيد قد أجازه بمائة ألف نظير أصحابه من أولئك الوفد ، ولما رجع وفد المدينةإليها أظهروا شتم يزيد وعيبه ، وقالوا : قدمنا من عند رجل ليس له دين ، يشرب الخمر ، وتعزف عنده القينات بالمعازف ، وإنا نشهدكم أن أنا قد خلعناه . فتابعهم الناس على خلعه ، وبايعوا عبد الله بن حنظلة الغسيل على الموت​

Some men as the representative of Medina people who were the nobles and aristocrats such as the son of the Ohhod martyr Abd Allah Ibn Hanzalah Qasil Al-Malaykah arrived at the city of Sham and went to see Yazid and he paid a great homage to them and granted them valuable gifts but in their return to Medina they criticized Yazid and mentioned his disgraces and shortcomings in the public and they have said such as we have returned from a man who is not a faithful, drinks wine and musicians and dancers play music and dance before him and be witness we have discharged him from caliphate. Then the people of Medina accepted the disposal of Yazid from the caliphate and sworn allegiance to Abd Allah Ibn Hanzalah most heartily and willingly.

Sunni sources,
1.Al-Badayat wa Al-Nihayat, v 8 p 235, 236
2.Al-Kamel Ibn Athir, v 4 p 103
3.Tarikh Tabari, v 7 p 4