War, the final battle.

[Sandra Jayne]

Great to hear from you Sandra, I have not had the pleasure of a chat with you as yet.

I see your thoughts would be on many people's minds, as no matter how rosey we wish to paint the picture, to try to offer comfort to one's own self, or others, there are still to many injustices, environmental issues and gross imbalance of wealth that we need to face, before we can offer in all honesty that humanity is starting to do well.

How are you coping with the frustrations of the imbalance?

Regards Tony

Hi Tony,
that is a difficult question to answer I suppose I cope because I have no choice, frustration at times turns to anger because I have little or no influence on the awful things that occur in the wider world.

I am half way through my fifth module of a degree in Philosophy and Psychological Studies. I thought doing philosophy might present ideas and arguments I have never considered and thinking in the abstract might help train me to consider alternatives. I am loving philosophy (psychology not so much) and indeed I am enthralled by the brilliance of some philosophers and the clever ideas and thought experiments they come up with. However, I have come to the conclusion they are like everyone else, they ask the same questions we all do. Why are we here, do we have a purpose, is there a God, what is consciousness, what is the best way for a society to live? They don't have the answers either.

Best wishes
Sandra

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Hi Tony,
that is a difficult question to answer I suppose I cope because I have no choice, frustration at times turns to anger because I have little or no influence on the awful things that occur in the wider world.

I am half way through my fifth module of a degree in Philosophy and Psychological Studies. I thought doing philosophy might present ideas and arguments I have never considered and thinking in the abstract might help train me to consider alternatives. I am loving philosophy (psychology not so much) and indeed I am enthralled by the brilliance of some philosophers and the clever ideas and thought experiments they come up with. However, I have come to the conclusion they are like everyone else, they ask the same questions we all do. Why are we here, do we have a purpose, is there a God, what is consciousness, what is the best way for a society to live? They don't have the answers either.

Best wishes
Sandra

All the best Sandra, thanks for the chat. All the best in the studies, life is a Journey and we never stop learning.

I see you are correct, we all have the ability to unravel the hidden secrets, as life is one big philosophical journey.

Personally I see all possible answers are indeed available to all of us and it took a Faith to show me that is so, do not stop looking for the answers, they are available.

You may enjoy this work, it is about the creation of the Spiritual realm, which also tells us how the material world came into being. It is a Provisional translation from Arabic or Persian, so be aware it may change when an official translation is finally done.

Tablet of the Universe

Regards Tony

 

[rational experiences]

Humans family. Natural life first.

No science. No stories. Thesis. Machines.

Stories about creation. Human thesis to think for science. To build machines taken product from earth God.

Energy is used first to build my machine.

Maths involved in machine presence it's beginning to its non present reaction to be controlled reacted.

Never God. Just science.

Medical spirit healer advice religious ideals after irradiated brain chemical a brain effect is witnessed in conjunction with phenomena.

Science men group first contradicted by medical men group religious second.

Does not make any group correct.

Natural family is correct first. Not the group.

Natural family once owner same parent human DNA was irradiated evicted from our common shared extended family unity.

Our medical teaching. Dna changed. Brain changed so language changed we began babbling in chemical disturbance causing language expression barriers.

A medical teaching.

Religions established medically brain retrainment paths. Meditation.
Oils for blood cleansing. Against radiation effect cell blood.
As death acute burnt incense against living conditions.

Rang bells to change vibration in atmosphere.

Had three ritual ceremony cleansing body mind by prayer. Thoughtful peace training of mind by chants. Buildings built Phi resounding chambers sound therapies.

Medical reasons only

As a self taught spiritual healer what I learnt. I wanted to have a healing Centre free of charge. Father suggested that I not but teach what he wanted to have heard spiritually without organisation status. Life's problem itself superiority.

Self superiority began with occult scientist we were all taught to teach self healing was to wander share your wisdom and demonstrate equal worthiness.

I healed for free until I was irradiated burnt sacrificed. Why I know our father.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Humans family. Natural life first.

No science. No stories. Thesis. Machines.

Stories about creation. Human thesis to think for science. To build machines taken product from earth God.

Energy is used first to build my machine.

Maths involved in machine presence it's beginning to its non present reaction to be controlled reacted.

Never God. Just science.

Medical spirit healer advice religious ideals after irradiated brain chemical a brain effect is witnessed in conjunction with phenomena.

Science men group first contradicted by medical men group religious second.

Does not make any group correct.

Natural family is correct first. Not the group.

Natural family once owner same parent human DNA was irradiated evicted from our common shared extended family unity.

Our medical teaching. Dna changed. Brain changed so language changed we began babbling in chemical disturbance causing language expression barriers.

A medical teaching.

Religions established medically brain retrainment paths. Meditation.
Oils for blood cleansing. Against radiation effect cell blood.
As death acute burnt incense against living conditions.

Rang bells to change vibration in atmosphere.

Had three ritual ceremony cleansing body mind by prayer. Thoughtful peace training of mind by chants. Buildings built Phi resounding chambers sound therapies.

Medical reasons only

As a self taught spiritual healer what I learnt. I wanted to have a healing Centre free of charge. Father suggested that I not but teach what he wanted to have heard spiritually without organisation status. Life's problem itself superiority.

Self superiority began with occult scientist we were all taught to teach self healing was to wander share your wisdom and demonstrate equal worthiness.

I healed for free until I was irradiated burnt sacrificed. Why I know our father.

Personally I see the war always rages within our own selves. We are constantly battling our animal nature against the Spiritual potential within us all.

So it is an individual battle that only we can fight. Yet there is help. We can find a partner with the same goal, we can have children and raise them with the same vision of life and hope, allowing them their choices. Then we embrace like minded souls and build communities, then Nations and eventually we find a lasting universal unity.

The whole process takes great effort, as the whole time we serve and look after others, the battle still rages within one's own self.

Regards Tony

 

[rational experiences]

Personally I see the war always rages within our own selves. We are constantly battling our animal nature against the Spiritual potential within us all.

So it is an individual battle that only we can fight. Yet there is help. We can find a partner with the same goal, we can have children and raise them with the same vision of life and hope, allowing them their choices. Then we embrace like minded souls and build communities, then Nations and eventually we find a lasting universal unity.

The whole process takes great effort, as the whole time we serve and look after others, the battle still rages within one's own self.

Regards Tony

War is a choice.

God O mass owned no choice and it is reactive.

We learnt to live in respect and also taught ourselves our choices such as sex own a great responsibility.

Father told me that he was not aware after his life re emerged with our mothers from the eternal spirit what it meant.

Science as life living evolving re learnt man's owns past evils. And told the stories. And they were to a human a story with little meaning. As they were not science aware.

The returned evil knowledge possession itself to man in science.

Father said his brother historic used words. Said a tree is a tree. A bird a bird. A stone a stone.

Not evil talking just naming.

Then words were as names used to describe his motivated purpose. A want to force it all to change

How using words became an evil argument of self superiority.

Eternal. Spirit always existed. Space became losses from its body so did O God burst and burnt as multi bodies that blew and scattered.

Science says I know from O came the creation I peruse. O held forms held as proof owning no space. O scattered bodies opened into space.

His theory about O mass as god. Why a spiritual psyche knows his evil motivation. About forcing O God to change by an introduced heated O space condition.

State human aware knowledge.

Then the scientist says and I know a human came from the eternal.

Because our parents did. So did animals and nature spirit floated above ground was grounded.

Science then placated that we must be the same force and try to use words to claim that evil status.

The space forming of God as mass. And how mass owned all forms

Humans not being mass.

How a spiritual argument no man is God is owned against scientists having nothing at all to do with living a human life or being a family.

The actual considerated choice of anyone. No man is God human reasoning. For life continuance by a sexual choice.

Believe in human science thesis or believe our parents memory.

Meaning did a human with a machine invent your life as plain as it is as an argument.

 

[CG Didymus]

Wow, there's so much there that I not only don't know how to respond but I'm not even sure how to begin!

So I won't.

But what I can do in reaction to your excellent letter is offer some thoughts off the top of my head & promise to delve more deeply as time permits.

There are so many kinds of Baha'is & so many kinds of Christians, my take is that we're all on the same page & working together to look into it. I've found many Christians that take that tack too but while there are some Christians that will decide that I'm deluded & seduced by Satan there are some Baha'is who'll assume the same position.

They're both wrong (mho) but I really don't want to shake the idea that humans are good & there's a lot of important & satisfying work we can do.

That question of whether Satan exists is terrific & I'd love to share my approach. While some Baha'is & some Christians will insist that Satan does not exist, there will be others on both sides who'll take the opposite view. The thing is that when u get right down to it there are a lot of things that don't exist that are a serious problem & we have to spend a LOT of time working w/ them. Lighting specialists fight w/ shadows & how to eliminate them but shadows aren't there. We just talking about where light isn't. In my mech engineering days I contended w/ centrifugal force having to design in constraints sized and reinforced --the force does not exist. I've even heard it argued that poverty doesn't exist ---like, a poor person can't come into the room, give away all his poverty, and walk out a rich man.

See what I'm saying? Existance just isn't what it's cranked up to be.

Okay, let's talk about the "final battle". I can see why there are those Christians that believe Satan is real. Their Scriptures say he is real. Then they go back into the Jewish Scriptures and find places and ways to make him more than just a character mostly in Job. But their "final" battle is with Satan and Jesus is the only one who can defeat him. What I don't like about that type of Christianity is that it makes every other religion wrong... including the Baha'i Faith. However, if the Baha'i Faith is right, then, for me, God has allowed every other religion to come up with false beliefs, which also makes all of them wrong. So, if you comment on that, then next...

Light and darkness. That's fine. Turn on a light and there is no darkness. But what about evil, hate, greed and all those bad things? Pour light and love on them and they vanish? Actually I do have a question about light and darkness. It's more about the physical universe having opposites... like hot and cold, things expand and contract, living things grow then die. Those sorts of things. And they aren't necessarily evil, but for us some of those things are bad. So is what we call evil just the necessary opposite of good? Or, can we do away with it and have only good? Because in a harmonious, peaceful world we can't have the opposites of love and good can we?

 

[rational experiences]

Okay, let's talk about the "final battle". I can see why there are those Christians that believe Satan is real. Their Scriptures say he is real. Then they go back into the Jewish Scriptures and find places and ways to make him more than just a character mostly in Job. But their "final" battle is with Satan and Jesus is the only one who can defeat him. What I don't like about that type of Christianity is that it makes every other religion wrong... including the Baha'i Faith. However, if the Baha'i Faith is right, then, for me, God has allowed every other religion to come up with false beliefs, which also makes all of them wrong. So, if you comment on that, then next...

Light and darkness. That's fine. Turn on a light and there is no darkness. But what about evil, hate, greed and all those bad things? Pour light and love on them and they vanish? Actually I do have a question about light and darkness. It's more about the physical universe having opposites... like hot and cold, things expand and contract, living things grow then die. Those sorts of things. And they aren't necessarily evil, but for us some of those things are bad. So is what we call evil just the necessary opposite of good? Or, can we do away with it and have only good? Because in a harmonious, peaceful world we can't have the opposites of love and good can we?

Humans live in an atmospheric body.

Burning gas light is in heavens as a natural sacrificed non burning gas comparison. Day the dies. Natural spirit sacrificed. Even balanced with immaculate night time.

Was constantly burning in a vacuum.

Wisdom said evolved once to non burning as highest state. Having nothing historic to do with science

Science uses theme light constant.

Statement God O owned that status not any human.

Jesus theme is about a human man's life blood flesh cells sacrificed is not any God natural history.

Reason presence constant of light supports life existing.

Obvious by status no man is God.

Gases burning alight in a vacuum whilst the rest immaculate do not burn was never any science thesis.

The constant of light existing naturally.

So it is not science. As constant of light presence is named constant of light by word use.

Jesus and Satan conjuring was science caused so it is not relative to cosmic themes. It was about life harmed sacrificed as a living baby to adult man.

Human life. I want science to stop sacrificing life due to nuclear science practices against God body remaining present.

God presence was supporting nature bio life not suffering until he practiced conversion of God as a product.

The satanic conjuring self taught human theme when will the thinker designer satanist human be overcome.

Natural history. Jesus life sacrifice of man removed the conscious human science ability by conditions human.....
lack of human health and non ability of mind destruction or destructive thesis.

To be overcome as a satanist. Conjurer of Satan.

Light constant is not overcome. Day remains constant.

Science only returns when consciousness Healed and life body evolved. Human. Status science self human satanist healthy and also conscious.

The satanic theme when does he get his karmic choice life presence sacrificed removed thesis as a God subject.... we can live and heal life then without him in DNA or ownership control.

The human realisation. Is a taught told human status. Is a human realisation that preached God karmic causes to human life for disobeying natural laws.

Only about what humans believe in as natural justice without it factually existing.

 

[Pete in Panama]

...there are those Christians that believe Satan is real. Their Scriptures say he is real...

Interesting. I just did a search & the word "Christian" shows up only 7 times & nowhere does it say you have to believe in Satan to be a Christian. fwiw, "Satan" is mentioned about four dozen times (more than six times the hits for 'Christian') but I'm not sure if that makes Satan more important than Christianity.

The important thing to me is that I didn't see any place where the Bible says "Satan is real and you have to believe in him to be a Christian". Same goes for all that stuff about the "final battle".

Note that both Hitler & Stalin once studied for the priesthood but I guess it never took.

 

[rational experiences]

An original self human theist memory recorded our human father's life records. Is in the heavenly body. Image. Transmitting image and voice recordings human proven by machines.

Machines use atmosphere. Machines do not own presence of Earth's highest dusts of God as minerals that they alchemize to build a machine.

Proving science had to convert body earth God to allow to convert of natural by laws God bodies were not converting mass.

What was known.

The first human male brothers agreed records is owned by science visions. As thesis is first to think design in visionary states. First science itself. Thesis.

Was a flooded earth mass body after nuclear sun blasting conversion mountains peaks above water line flat topped. UFO radiation effect. Mountain peak pyramid wisdom.

Not a Satan theme.

UFO still present in that vision got removed in water mass ground evaporation.

Where he lived present was not history. He was a human. A thinker. Owned no machines. Minerals supported life. The UFO effect not a mass body present.

UFO effect re introduced by scientist.

He changed minerals to build a machine.

No Satan theme.

Satan vision phenomena manifestation occurred by his machine encoded irradiated heart core eruption. Of planet one earth his science body one earth mass only.

Known. We called scientist Satanists conjurer of evil.

God O mass owned no sin. No self consuming law.

We lived in water oxygen life balances.

Light constant held in womb vacuum above our heads.

Science invented fall out.

A known stated male human memory. Science and human did it. Man blamed God mass for changing. As his thesis origin science did not own changed God mass.

However Alchemy to get burning energy light constant gas began with Alchemy itself. With one earth God body.

Alchemy was banned in that spiritual realisation. By spiritual brothers science the known evil.

Herbal healing remedies also banned and not practiced due to conversions of natural presence and humans burnt as witches as they became acutely afraid of the phenomena attack.

When medical advice was used to when it was banned and lost. By a radical fear caused in human realisation about converting natural form.

As a true human history as compared to occult science lying today.

 

[CG Didymus]

I can see why there are those Christians that believe Satan is real.

Are there some Christian denominations or sects that believe Satan is real?

I didn't see any place where the Bible says "Satan is real and you have to believe in him to be a Christian".

And why would a Baha'i "see" something that they don't believe is true. And even if it is implied, Baha'is simply make metaphorical. But I said, "there are those Christians" that do believe Satan is real. Maybe try a word search on Catholic Christian beliefs about Satan, early Christian beliefs about Satan, Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian beliefs about whether or not Satan is real.

Same goes for all that stuff about the "final battle".

So have you read Revelation? And you didn't see anything about a final battle? Hmmm? I guess my Christian friends and making it all up. Here's some of the quotes they use...

Rev 16:12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years...
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

 

[Pete in Panama]

...And why would a Baha'i "see" something that they don't believe is true...

There are ten to fifteen million Baha'is in the world & each has his own way of doing things --to ask why each would see Satan his own way at first glance sounds stupid, but I honestly don't think you're stupid. I can tell you how I use the Satan concept as I see it, would that do?

...try a word search on Catholic Christian beliefs about Satan...

You're probably referring to the Roman Catholics ignoring the Eastern Orthodox which would still leave us w/ a small part of the Christians who're just a third of the world --

...Here's some of the quotes they use...

--so please let me know if u get a chance where we're going w/ this stuff & what it is u want from me if anything.

 

[rational experiences]

War X 3 say man as evil word thinker for evil science against stone seal.

O God he quotes sealed off with space vacuum evil. Law consuming for earth stopped.

Satan law.

Own words.
Own realisation. Men male theist.

Said so himself so why argue?

Reason to argue words used did not exist. Words lied by man use. Using thesis I conjured.

The reason for a teaching realised

Bahai a proven new human realisation.

Man false maths prostelyzing. Prophecies by maths numbers.

Mass O form is holy.
Mass just named as the heavens holy.

Phi not holy is a single thought viewed SEEN only in a mass atmosphere.

Science thinks for Phi as O one separate form is lying was proven lying.

Reason maths science human reasoning only.

Maths numbers do not exist mass does the teaching what is relative.

War he says as maths encoder code cult group reader. 3 spirit wars.

Moses.
Jesus.
One new war not apparent yet.

Notating the word new.

Coder says WW1 WW2 can't discus WW3 as it is not after the fact yet.

Call it a war only as a survivor. Fighting is the present condition.

Jesus fought. Jesus was ignored.

Destruction followed twice.

Third reasoning holy mother 2012 allow space to remove by vacuum core UFO radiation heart release.

Not heeded although fought for owned community support non nuclear atmospheric change of any kind.

Heavens we own as life never change holy form teaching.

Want to stop war mentality stop science nuclear behaviour inherited problem.