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War with the Infidels

Ubon

Member
I am asking to understand what may be untruths spread by non muslims.

Are all Muslims taught that a great War will take place between Muslims and all non believers resulting in our destruction.

Victory for Islam.

If so are we not already seen as the the enemy of Muslims, if not i am misinformed.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Yes that is true we are seen as the enemy, they just don't say that, but that is what is behind their sick belief, and this is what many people don't understand while letting many of them into their countries, and of course I am talking about the radicals, the filth that no one wants in their peaceful society.
 

Ubon

Member
Yes that is true we are seen as the enemy, they just don't say that, but that is what is behind their sick belief, and this is what many people don't understand while letting many of them into their countries, and of course I am talking about the radicals, the filth that no one wants in their peaceful society.

They do not believe jesus is the son of God or in the crucifixion however they do believe he will lead the Islamic army
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
They do not believe jesus is the son of God or in the crucifixion however they do believe he will lead the Islamic army
Yes they certainly, do come up with odd beliefs, I think its because of their so called prophet hating Christians ?.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member

Ubon

Member
This is one more falsehood being spread by those who would divide patriotic Americans from each other. Meanwhile, the Orc in Chief ignored Jews in his holocaust day. His neo-nazi alt-right terrorists no doubt had a part of this. I as a Jew stand with my Muslim brothers and sisters. NEVER AGAIN Trump Doesn’t Mention Jews in Holocaust Remembrance Day Message

Is it a falsehood or is it written in the quran.
Only ask as this was told to me by Muslims at work and a muslim acquaintance.

So it was not spread to my by anyone other then Muslims.

All i want to know, is it written
 
Is it a falsehood or is it written in the quran.

It's from the hadith, not the Quran:

Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)"
— Sahih al-Bukhari

In the hadith there are also lots of stories about how, at the end of days, there will be a big battle between the Muslims and the Byzantine Empire featuring swords and boats with oars:


Abu Huraira narrates that Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

"The Hour (of Resurrection) will not come until theالروم Romans land in Al-A'maq (valleys in Antioch, southern Turkey) or in Dabiq (a plain near Aleppo, Syria). An army consisting of the best of the people of the Earth (an international Muslim army) at that time will come out of Medina (in Saudi Arabia) to face them.

When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans will say: ' Do not stand between us and those (Christian Converts to Islam) who were taken away from amongst us. Let us fight with them ' ; and the Muslims will say: 'No! by Allah, we will not stand aside and let you fight our brothers.'


They will then fight. A third (of the Muslim army) will be defeated (& run away), and Allah will never forgive them. A third (of the Muslim army) will be killed and they will be regarded as the best martyrs in the eyes of Allah. A third (of the Muslim army) will conquer and they do not get affected by Fitna (tribulations). They will conquer Constantinople.



Ka'b said: " In the conquest of Rome, an army will leave the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, and Tunis) with an easterly wind. None of their rowing oars break and none of their ropes get cut-off, til they reach Rome. They will conquer it. It (Rome) has a tree which is mentioned in the Book of Allah ... whoever hangs his weapon or ties his horse to it is considered by Allah one of the best martyrs. Ka'b also said: "Amoria will be conquered before Nicaea (a city in Turkey where today's Christian creed was formulated in 325 AD), Nicaea before Constantinople, and Constantinople before Rome." (Nuaim bin Hammad's Kitab al-Fitan)

While the Muslims are busy distributing the spoils (booty) of war, after hanging their swords by the olive trees, Satan will shout: 'The Anti-Christ has taken your place among your family (or in your land).' The Muslims will then come out, but will find out that it is not true. And when they arrive to Al-Sham (Damascus or Syria), he (Anti-Christ) will come out. While they (Muslims) are preparing to fight him, and drawing up their ranks, prayer time will come and then, Jesus the son of Mary will descend and lead (or join) them in prayer. When Allah's enemy (Anti-Christ) sees him (Jesus), it will dissolve just as the salt dissolves in water. If Jesus were to leave him (Anti-Christ) alone, he (Anti-Christ) would melt to death anyway, but Allah will have him (Anti-Christ) killed by his (Jesus') hand, and he (Jesus) will show the Muslims his (Anti-Christ's) blood on his (Jesus') spear." (Sahih Muslim)
 

Jedster

Flying through space
This is one more falsehood being spread by those who would divide patriotic Americans from each other. Meanwhile, the Orc in Chief ignored Jews in his holocaust day. His neo-nazi alt-right terrorists no doubt had a part of this. I as a Jew stand with my Muslim brothers and sisters. NEVER AGAIN Trump Doesn’t Mention Jews in Holocaust Remembrance Day Message

He said:
“It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust,” Trump said in a statement on Friday, International Holocaust Remembrance Day. “It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.”
But, he added, “We know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest. As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.”

In the name of the perished, Trump wrote, “I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good.”


Quite honestly, I think his speech was succinct. Just because he didn't say the word 'Jew', so what?. He was referring to the list below.
If he would have mentioned Jews then people could complain that he didn't mention, Jehovah Witnesses, Ethnic Poles, Serbs, Disabled, Romani, Freemasons, Slovanenes, homosexuals & Spanish Republicans.
According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), the country's official memorial to the Holocaust.

I speak as a Jew who would have had several more uncles, aunts and cousins if not for the holocaust.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I am asking to understand what may be untruths spread by non muslims.

Are all Muslims taught that a great War will take place between Muslims and all non believers resulting in our destruction.

Victory for Islam.

If so are we not already seen as the the enemy of Muslims, if not i am misinformed.

You can start with this. Just make an exploration.

 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
That vídeo could really use subtitles, @firedragon . Would you happen to have access to some transcription?

I just might try and provide a tentative start to the captions there at YouTube.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
That vídeo could really use subtitles, @firedragon . Would you happen to have access to some transcription?

I just might try and provide a tentative start to the captions there at YouTube.

Poor quality isnt it?

Bottomline is, we have misunderstood the word Kaafir. And we also always judge others while we should be judging ourselves. That is ego.

Kaafir means to cover up. If you lie in courts that is an act of kafaroo.
 

Ubon

Member
So it is in the Hadiths not the quran.

They still follow the hadiths so they are taught we are destined to be the enemy.

Real good that is
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
He said:
“It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust,” Trump said in a statement on Friday, International Holocaust Remembrance Day. “It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.”
But, he added, “We know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest. As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.”

In the name of the perished, Trump wrote, “I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good.”


Quite honestly, I think his speech was succinct. Just because he didn't say the word 'Jew', so what?. He was referring to the list below.
If he would have mentioned Jews then people could complain that he didn't mention, Jehovah Witnesses, Ethnic Poles, Serbs, Disabled, Romani, Freemasons, Slovanenes, homosexuals & Spanish Republicans.
According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), the country's official memorial to the Holocaust.

I speak as a Jew who would have had several more uncles, aunts and cousins if not for the holocaust.
Jews were mentioned in all the past remembrances. He went out of his way to do something different. I attribute it to bannon but it speaks volumes.
 
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