And yes, even in its greatness then, there were problems, with racism, sexism, fear of "other," criminal activity, duplicitous politics, etc...but it was still a peak of greatness....
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Was America ever great?
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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Greatness is not about perfection.
I was going to mention that, but thought it would be obvious to our sophisticated community.
Palehorse
Active Member
Unified blanket socialism could also be called Judaic Socialism. A democratic socialism would treat everyone and every state as individuals.
I think that might be the single most important thing anyone has even tried to say in this thread.
good point; and it was probably obvious to everyone but me...
"State's rights" is usually just an excuse for backwards states to discriminate against various groups. It always struck me as stupid that you could go from one state to another and lose rights and liberties, and vice versa.
As my dead mother-in-law would've said....good point; and it was probably obvious to everyone but me...
Tai ke qi.
(Roughly.....You're being modest.)
perhaps, but I am incredibly obtuse, sometimes, maybe most times...
Bu yao tai ke qi!
In fact, I challenge anyone to find me an example where "state's rights" was used as an argument for something that wasn't about restricting the rights to some minority or another. And no, removing ability right to legally discriminate against someone doesn't count.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I hear where your coming from, yet when you really think about it, there's always an option available to move to a state more suited to your liking. If federalism goes down a universal socialised path, people who may not appreciate things arguably will have no place to run or escape to if states lose their automony. That would be a bad road imo.
I see no fed constutional authority to ban marijuana,
but when states have legalized it, the fed spank's users & makers.
Lately, this has become a states' rights issue.
The Constitution's 10th Amendment is still the law of the land.
Edit:
As a Libertarian, this has long mattered to me (non-smoker, btw).
And now I have a MJ testing lab as a tenant.
Thorny legal issues there.
**** the fed!
Geeze, did I really say that?
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gnomon
Well-Known Member
What are we talking about with "greatness" and what age old nonsense are we applying to the concept with many people applying the age old concept in a culturally specific manner to deride one culture over another never mind that historically..........they are pretty much all the same.
I'm really interested........what is this definition of greatness subjectively determined to provide a rank of greatness of one culture over another?
So long as you have either a job which would allow you to live in one state while working in another, or you have enough saved up income for the 3-4 months or however long it generally takes to move to a new place and find a new job.
Y'know, so long as you are always capable of doing those things, sure, that's theorectically an option.
But no one is using state's rights as the argument for it.
Are you sure?
Done a search?
America really needs to change its name from the "United States" since so many Americans want to act like it's a bunch of different countries and "hating the fed" is always popular.
I have, actually. I won't pretend it was an exhaustive search, I did not scour the globe or what not, but I gave it an hour and could not find any examples of someone basing the argument of marijuana legalization on the notion of states' rights or such.
In Colorado, I never heard of that argument during the whole time the issue was being debated here.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
My puter dosent seem to rid of these things. Its like tribbles or something. =0)America really needs to change its name from the "United States" since so many Americans want to act like it's a bunch of different countries and "hating the fed" is always popular.
I not too sure the federal government was orginally designed to operate in the manner as it's doing now.
Did you know the federal government was first created by the states?
http://history-world.org/united_states_government.htm
The problem is that an increasing centralized govt seems to be stripping and chipping away more and more states rights away as each year passes by as it gets bigger and bigger and more bloated.
My response to that rhetoric is confusion, because it seems pretty great to me right now, on the whole.
But I'm also one of those apparently rare people that knows how to count their blessings.
Yeah, it's called the grass is not always greener on the other side. But in my case, it was a lot greener since I immigrated here.
Count your blessings, indeed.
I think it's a great country, but I can see how it was greater in WWII. Definitely see the arguments with that.
But of course, I wouldn't have wanted to be in America during the 1800s given I'm not Caucasian.