Mr Cheese
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how can you deny ineffability then
This is a basic tennent of all Gnostic groups.....throughout time!
:sarcasticits like saying you're a non Mohammed followign Muslim
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Was Eve justified in eating of the tree of knowledge?
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how can you deny ineffability then
This is a basic tennent of all Gnostic groups.....throughout time!
:sarcasticits like saying you're a non Mohammed followign Muslim
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
how can you deny ineffability then
This is a basic tennent of all Gnostic groups.....throughout time!
its like saying you're a non Mohammed followign Muslim
Gnostics believe that we all have a way to know God.
That is one of their cornerstones so to say that God cannot be understood is silly.
What about God do you not understand?
Careful on what you reply since most that is assumed of God has been written by man.
Show one of these ineffable issues.
Regards
DL
Mr Cheese
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expressed not known...sigh
Ineffable: Means, 1. Incapable of being expressed; indescribable or unutterable. See Synonyms; unspeakable. 2. Not to be uttered; taboo: the ineffable name of God. (American Heritage Dictionary) .Moreover it is these who have known him who is, the Father, that is, the Root of the All, the Ineffable One who dwells in the Monad. He dwells alone in silence, and silence is tranquillity since, after all, he was a Monad and no one was before him. (A Valentinian Exposition. )
Gnosticism posits that God is beyond conceptualisation
Do you not understand this?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
What about God do you understand? :sarcastic
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
I understand what you are saying.
I do not believe it.
Anything that has parameters or attributes can be conceptualized.
You do so the moment you begin to give the attributes or concepts.
Again, name something that you cannot fathom.
Regards
DL
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
thats the whole point Gnosticism doesnt believe in paramters and attributes...
sigh...
:sarcastic you dont really understand Gnosticism do you
Gnosticism:
God is a dyer. As the good dyes, which are called "true", dissolve with the things dyed in them, so it is with those whom God has dyed. Since his dyes are immortal, they become immortal by means of his colors. Now God dips what he dips in water.
It is not possible for anyone to see anything of the things that actually exist unless he becomes like them. This is not the way with man in the world: he sees the sun without being a sun; and he sees the heaven and the earth and all other things, but he is not these things. This is quite in keeping with the truth. But you saw something of that place, and you became those things. You saw the Spirit, you became spirit. You saw Christ, you became Christ. You saw the Father, you shall become Father. So in this place you see everything and do not see yourself, but in that place you do see yourself - and what you see you shall become.
--Gospel of philip
Greatest I am
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Come on Cheese. Do you want a book to read from me?
Break it down by issues or whatever and we will go at it.
I will help you a bit.
The God I found is a cosmic consciousness. No miracles.
If there ever was a miracle working super God then he was either absorbed or destroyed by the big bang.
Regards
DL
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
help me?
help me what?
you are under some dillusion I am speaking about the exoteric God...
I am not
20 years you state, yet you seem clueless....
Do I want a book from you? um ....no you seem rather clueless and persist in going round in circles and sayign nothing.
You seem worried about stating God is knowable but is not the God of Christianity...
essentially you think Gnosticism is about being a Christian that doesnt follow christianity...... which really is not the story...
I fail to see anythign revelatory about what you are saying...
Please explain how you can manage to describe God in an online chat forum when people have been attempting to do so for millenia, how are you able when they have failed?
Yes, lets go at it....
do tell me...
describe God...
Does God have five arms? Is she called Horace or Oswald?
Does God have 5 toes and comes from Sweden?
What is God?
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Talking of clueless, why then did the early orthodox, Constantine's Church, burn Gnostic writings and kill Gnostics soon after gaining power. Note how the Nag Hamady scriptures were well hidden and Gnostics were considered heretics.
Regards
DL
Mr Cheese
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Greatest I am
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irrelivant....
you are dodging the issue
God can only be described by His philosophy.
What part of His philosophy would you like to discuss?
Regards
DL
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Are the scriptures then fairytailes only in your view ?
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
I "interpret" this as stating that you believe any scripture to be just as good as any other book, being made by man and trying to "teach" something. Would this be correct?
Mr Cheese
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anythign you like, you have all the answers...
Greatest I am
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The K J Bible lead me to God.
All Bibles have wisdom.
To read them literally is Religulous.
Fundamentals and other literal readers have turned their religions into jokes by believing in miraculous nonsense that no self respecting God would use. Talking snakes and donkeys. Give me a break.
They all hurt their parent religions.
They take good Bibles and works of philosophy and turn them into fairy tales.
Too bad.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
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Constantine's Bible was the best guess of it's day sprinkled with social control and manipulation.
it is a consolidation of much of the various religions of that day and area.
I believe that it was likely offered as a starting point for discourse, note all the contradictions in it, but then instead of looking for God through it, people started to believe that it was the true word of God. Fools.
The Church must have laughed all the way to the bank.
Regards
DL
I'm new here and didn't want to interrupt the conversation so I'll try and keep it to a whisper. Briefly, my take on the - ill will at the apple tree story- God created everything thru evolution. Came time for the evolutionary leap from animal to human. God looks for volunteers. Adam and Eve metaphorically step up. God tells them the consequences of becoming human - it won't be an easy ride. God tells them that if they decide they want to become human, all they have to do is push the start button of an Apple computer. Adam said he had to go think about it. Adventurous, courageous Eve asks god where the computer is. God says, "At the Apple tree". Eve finds the tree (symbolic of evolutionary "tree") and there's a reptile (symbolic of evolutionary progression from water to land). The serpent was glad to see her because she was the hope of keeping god's plan moving forward. He tells Eve that god likes to be honest and not hold anything back so told you the down side of being human. I want to assure you there is an up side. Your species will survive and you will gain knowledge and creative abilities far beyond what your instincts could ever imagine. Eve did not hesitate, she pushed the start button taking a bite out of the Apple. Adam decided not to go to the Apple tree, that's why males still behave like animals. Eve went back to ask god if she would be kicked out of the garden of eden. God gave her a hug and with all the love that could be mustered, told her," animals live off the land, but my garden will be planted in your heart to be a haven for healing and renewal where I will always dwell with you through joys and sorrows and provide the spiritual nourishment for your journey. Angels with flaming swords will be with you to light the way and fight the battles of the heart. Keep an open heart, abide with me and the victory will be yours".
Needs a lot of work, but not at all bad. Welcome.
Wasn't the admonition (to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil) given to Adam before Eve was created from his rib?
According to Genesis 2:15-18 (NIV) 'The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."' (source)
So, justified or not, Eve's eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil wasn't actually a problem. The admonition to not eat of the tree was to Adam, not to Eve.
Further, the expulsion from the garden of Eden was to prevent Adam and Eve eating of the Tree of Life and becoming Gods themselves. Genesis 3:22 (NIV)'And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." ' (source) (emphasis mine).
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Why the bibles and not the Quran, the Bagavad Gita or other books ?