was he god or just a coincident

[FearGod]

It could be many things, let me break it down a little:

1. Allah does not lead people to do haram (to play lottery, or casino or with dice etc is haram). Allah knows the future so to say that Allah accepted your dua' regarding something haram is not correct. It is the same like asking Allah to help you impress a girl so you can commit adultery, Allah doesn't accept an evil dua'.

2. Your initial intention was that you would not take the prize, but instead just wanted Him to help you and recognize his favour upon you. Allah probably helped you and in return you broke your promise and Allah sent a punishment on you, it was either a punishment or just a test.

3. It could have been just a coincidence and the suffering you went through afterwards may have been from Allah. People turn to God when they are in suffering so maybe through that suffering He made you draw closer to Him.

But please remember that i'm not a scholar and don't know this stuff very well, may Allah forgive me if i have said something wrong.

Sorry Brother,but i disagree with you in your first point as when i did the request (doaa)
it was not for the prize itself,what i requested was just a consolation prize,but what i got
was a temptation one,so i guess that was a test and i was punished for that and god was still
a merciful one with me.also the sweepstakes is a charity one which all the money goes to help poor
people and in order to encourage people in doing that,prizes are given for the lucky numbers.

Also remember that god even accepted the request from the satan to let him free till the
judgement day and that he will misguide people from the right path.

7:14 [Satan] said, "Reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected."
7:15 [ Allah ] said, "Indeed, you are of those reprieved."
7:16 [Satan] said, "Because You have put me in error, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path.

 

[Gharib]

Sorry Brother,but i disagree with you in your first point as when i did the request (doaa)
it was not for the prize itself,what i requested was just a consolation prize,but what i got
was a temptation one,so i guess that was a test and i was punished for that and god was still
a merciful one with me.also the sweepstakes is a charity one which all the money goes to help poor
people and in order to encourage people in doing that,prizes are given for the lucky numbers.

Also remember that god even accepted the request from the satan to let him free till the
judgement day and that he will misguide people from the right path.

7:14 [Satan] said, "Reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected."
7:15 [ Allah ] said, "Indeed, you are of those reprieved."
7:16 [Satan] said, "Because You have put me in error, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path.

You may be right brother and i could be wrong. I just wanted to answer your question based on what i know and the information that you posted. And there is every possibility that i could be wrong about my whole post.

As for the Shaytan, that is different to humans, they are a different creature, Allah has always known about Iblis, it is through him that Allah is testing us all. Those who obey him and those who don't.

 

[Muffled]

i used to buy sweepstakes before around 10 years for a chance
to win a big cash.

i didnt win even a consolation prize eventhough i was buying
sweepstakes for years.

One day in the morning i bought a sweepstakes ,but that day
was different than all other previous days.

i dont know what happened to me at that day that my mind wandered
so far and i started to talk with myself,why i am not winning even
a consolation prize,who control the running wheels,nobody,it depends
on the luck,i said can god control such things.

i looked up to the sky and i said from inside my mind,god are you there,
are you real,i just want to reassure my heart that you are real and true,
god i promise that i will worship and obey you,but only my request is to
show me an evidence that you are real,i know i dont have the right to ask
you to do so,but i beg you to help me to know you.

i said,god,i dont want to be among the grand winners,but only a consolation
one is enough to let me know you,i dont want the prize,but i want to know that
you are real and do exist.

The draw for the winning numbers was on the evening of that day and
i didnt watch the draw on tv.

in the morning i opened the newspaper to check for the winner numbers,
i started from the consolation ones,the sweepstake was in my pocket and
i memorized the number (7 digits),i was disappointed,my number was faraway
from the consolation ones,then i started to go up for the 4 grand winners,
of course i was apathetic at that moment,then i stopped on the 2nd prize,the
number seems close to my number,i was shocked that i forgot the exact number.

i got the sweepstakes from my pocket and checked once again,i dont believe my
eyes,i got the 2nd prize and not a consolation one.

From my story which happened to me exactly as i described it to you,
do you think that it was just a coincident or god did realy implemented my request.

The odds of winning after a prayer dpend on whether the prayer was only made one in ten years. If soit is too astronomical a number to be mere chance.

I once needed rent money. I had a coupon for a free play on the Numbers game. My three numbers came up (The only time that year) and allowed me to pay the rent.
It plays out in many ways. If I get a flat tire, it is in the parking lot, never on the road. However I don't need to pray because God is very much with me.

 

[Muffled]

yes i did claim for the prize,but i didnt fulfil my promise,to be honest,i didnt.
then i got a back pain which last with me for so long and doctors didnt find
any medical reasons for such pain,even i were not able to work and then my
parents treated me by a faithful man who treated me by the quran.and the
pain disappeared and i was able to work again.

can you explain what happened to me?

Making a promise to God is a very serious action. God will hold you to it and make your life miserable until you fulfill that promise.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

The odds of winning after a prayer dpend on whether the prayer was only made one in ten years. If soit is too astronomical a number to be mere chance.

I once needed rent money. I had a coupon for a free play on the Numbers game. My three numbers came up (The only time that year) and allowed me to pay the rent.
It plays out in many ways. If I get a flat tire, it is in the parking lot, never on the road. However I don't need to pray because God is very much with me.

...once again, millions of starving innocent children.

 

[Muffled]

Fate presupposes a "set order of events." Talk about boring! Coincidence lends itself to the serendipitous confluence of disparate events, and allows for greater freedom of eventualities.

I just don't think God's a magic genie, and I don't think God participates in the gambling activities of the lottery. Nor do I think God could care less how much money we want.

I found God very helpful in the casino but He never let me keep my winnings, lol.

 

[PolyHedral]

The odds of winning after a prayer dpend on whether the prayer was only made one in ten years.

Ad far as the statisticians can say, the chance of winning after prayer is exactly the same as the chance of winning before.

 

[tumbleweed41]

A miracle anybody survived Ontario crash that killed 11: Police

HAMPSTEAD, Ont. - A provincial police constable who was at the scene of a horrific crash that killed 10 migrant workers and a truck driver in southwestern Ontario says it's a miracle anyone survived.

Const. Kees Wijnands described the carnage after a minivan and a flatbed collided near Stratford and said it's amazing that three people are still living. (ist coincedence)

The head of Emergency Management Services said five of the victims were already dead when fire officials arrived, and the others died as paramedics tried to help them.

Police said some of the victims have family nearby, but others have relatives in Peru.

Officials are having difficulty reaching next of kin, and so the identities of the victims cannot yet be released.

Mayor Ian Forrest said donations can be made through the CIBC

Reference - Metro - A miracle anybody survived Ontario crash that killed 11: Police


Coincedence

Ten people died in your "miracle". Or are you insinuating the ten who died did not worship the correct god, or perhaps were atheists?

 

[FearGod]

Ten people died in your "miracle". Or are you insinuating the ten who died did not worship the correct god, or perhaps were atheists?

There is no relation between death on earth and religion as all of us will die one day,
Many people die every day and they are healthy with many reasons.

The accident is a messege from god to let us think,why the 3 were alive in such an accident
in which if you were there you will say oh my god,how they lived.

i believe that we live only the moment which we are acting now,all the past years are dead and only few memories in our minds,future,nobody know how many years left or even how many days.

i do feel that we are really on a test.
Why we live for a short period of time,i think that there should be a reason for that,
and god said that i will test you with pains and many other things to see who will hold
on his religion.

Yes many die from starving in Africa from hunger.
How can we know that god just created them for testing others,the targeted one.
Can we know?
Can you burn yourself alive?Can you
Some can do it,and even they did it.

A nice song which show us the same meaning that we may die by tomorrow

[youtube]nj3H9-rVC5k[/youtube]
Arabic : last breath -

 

[idav]

Ad far as the statisticians can say, the chance of winning after prayer is exactly the same as the chance of winning before.

You know, that is the same for before and after buying a lottery ticket.
I always figure it cant hurt to play and pray.

 

[garrydons]

Maybe both. God may have answered your prayers or it may also just a coincidence. A one in a billion chance. But since you pray to God,the greater possibility is there that He answered your prayer. But on the other hand it is not good to test God although in the Bible a certain prophet challenge another to prove who among their gods is the true God and God answered that prophet by sending fire which burned the woods which was piled up while the other person's woods remained unburned.

 

[blackout]

I have seen many highly improbable synchronicities in my life.

We are the ones though, who find/create meaning in them.
I'm a bit suspicious also
that we somehow have a hand in bringing them about.
A kind of objective subjective link we have with the UniVerse
that surrounds, supports, and moves with us.
But this last part is only a hunch.
It is a thing I cannot know for sure
(on the intellectual/psychological level).

If you see 'God' in a coincidence/syncronicity,
You are the one doing the 'seeing'.
Human beings like --even crave-- connections and meanings.
And this is not bad on the reflective level.
If the events of our lives give rise to wonder in us,
and that sense of wonder
gives rise to a more contemplative experience of life,
then this is all good.

If you have 'read' into the situation
that 'God' was somehow present in your lotto drawing,
I would think that the next
and more important question would be...
What God?/Which God?
What is the Nature of this God?
and.... What else do You notice there in the syncronicity?
Like a detective, hoping to learn a thing or two...
reaching deeper into your Own Psyche...

In my experience
the gift of the 'Seer'/See'er
is more one of observations
than answers (per say).

 

[blackout]

Another thing,

If 'God' can speak to you in the Lotto,
'God' can speak to you in anything.

So who are you? and who is this god?

Why not go ahead and ask this God to speak to you
through some other set of signs and syncronicities?

Who knows what you might see/learn there.
about yourSelf,
about Life,
about God,
about Any'thing.

 

[blackout]

Ahhh... reading the thread further,
it seems you already have your answers.
(the answers you want. the pre-concieved ones.)

HINT: You will see Your (preferred) answers in everything.
All the other surrounding occurences are merely questions
to frame them in. (as opposed to Calls to Quest/s).

 

[blackout]

Hmmm, so to show that God exists and is on your side opposed to others' you asked for a consolation prize. You didn't win a consolation prize? Well, then, I suppose we have our answer.

consolation - definition of consolation by the Free Online Dictionary ...




www.thefreedictionary.com/consolationcon·so·la·tion (k n s -l sh n). n. 1. a. The act or an instance of consoling. b. The state of being consoled. 2. One that consoles; a comfort:


Were you consoled? Was your winning/answer a consolation?...
moreso.... your PRIZE.... was it a consolation?
(Bonus Question: What WAS your Prize?-- the answer? the money? the consolation itself?)

 

[FearGod]

I have seen many highly improbable synchronicities in my life.

We are the ones though, who find/create meaning in them.
I'm a bit suspicious also
that we somehow have a hand in bringing them about.
A kind of objective subjective link we have with the UniVerse
that surrounds, supports, and moves with us.
But this last part is only a hunch.
It is a thing I cannot know for sure
(on the intellectual/psychological level).

If you see 'God' in a coincidence/syncronicity,
You are the one doing the 'seeing'.
Human beings like --even crave-- connections and meanings.
And this is not bad on the reflective level.
If the events of our lives give rise to wonder in us,
and that sense of wonder
gives rise to a more contemplative experience of life,
then this is all good.

If you have 'read' into the situation
that 'God' was somehow present in your lotto drawing,
I would think that the next
and more important question would be...
What God?/Which God?
What is the Nature of this God?
and.... What else do You notice there in the syncronicity?
Like a detective, hoping to learn a thing or two...
reaching deeper into your Own Psyche...

In my experience
the gift of the 'Seer'/See'er
is more one of observations
than answers (per say).

i am not a religeous guy,but similar to others i am always thinking about god,is he true and how can i know that he is so.

Maybe i got some answers before but always i revert it to coincedence,till the one which happened to me before around 10 years ,and i was always thinking about it and
also sometimes i revert it to coincedence,and the othertimes,i said no that was god.
but i cant forget it,lucky number is not easy,then why it happened in such away to me.

i was calling him with his names which i know like the all-hearing, all-knowing, the responsive,
but the most important is not the words,but the faith which i felt at that time that makes my tears dropped for a while
and i cant repeat it once again,it happened with no intention and dont depends on
one religion,but on your faith on god not only on the words.

 

[4consideration]

i used to buy sweepstakes before around 10 years for a chance
to win a big cash.

i didnt win even a consolation prize eventhough i was buying
sweepstakes for years.

One day in the morning i bought a sweepstakes ,but that day
was different than all other previous days.

i dont know what happened to me at that day that my mind wandered
so far and i started to talk with myself,why i am not winning even
a consolation prize,who control the running wheels,nobody,it depends
on the luck,i said can god control such things.

i looked up to the sky and i said from inside my mind,god are you there,
are you real,i just want to reassure my heart that you are real and true,
god i promise that i will worship and obey you,but only my request is to
show me an evidence that you are real,i know i dont have the right to ask
you to do so,but i beg you to help me to know you.

i said,god,i dont want to be among the grand winners,but only a consolation
one is enough to let me know you,i dont want the prize,but i want to know that
you are real and do exist.

The draw for the winning numbers was on the evening of that day and
i didnt watch the draw on tv.

in the morning i opened the newspaper to check for the winner numbers,
i started from the consolation ones,the sweepstake was in my pocket and
i memorized the number (7 digits),i was disappointed,my number was faraway
from the consolation ones,then i started to go up for the 4 grand winners,
of course i was apathetic at that moment,then i stopped on the 2nd prize,the
number seems close to my number,i was shocked that i forgot the exact number.

i got the sweepstakes from my pocket and checked once again,i dont believe my
eyes,i got the 2nd prize and not a consolation one.

From my story which happened to me exactly as i described it to you,
do you think that it was just a coincident or god did realy implemented my request.

I think that there is a big difference between a prayer of the heart and a prayer of the ego. It seems that you made a geniune request to God from the heart. It does not matter whether the request was large or small, what matters is the quality of it. It does not seem that you were really looking for money, but for confirmation. I would say that you received it, and I think you believe you did, too.

I think that God answers us in the language of life we are speaking and the level of understanding that we are operating in at the time. Perhaps it is appropriate for you to recognize the existence of God even in "worldly" matters. So, if what you needed at that time was confirmation of God's existence, I think you may have received it.

If I were to interpret the events as you described it, I would find it curious that what you asked for was a consolation prize, and what you received was even greater. I would say you received a greater blessing than requested. I think that God only "wows" us on occassion -- to get our attention. But, I see no reason to assume that God could only speak to us through certain types of messages, and not others -- like the lottery. You were not looking for a lottery winning as a solution to cause and effect issues of life instead of dealing with them, but merely as a message you could recognize. That seems important to me.

Regarding the back pain that followed, I do not think that God punishes. However, if you gave your word, and did not fulfill it, I would interpret that as something that you may have done that you may have felt was not quite right. When we act against what we believe to be right, it has a damaging affect on our sense of personal integrity -- it fragments us internally. We suffer when we do that to ourselves.

I do not consider myself a religious person, mostly because I consider religon to involve adherence to doctrine -- which I think may often limit our approach to God and life. However, I do believe that God exists, and if God exists, I consider it a natural duty as a child of God to have a direct relationship with him -- to sometimes seek guidance and understanding from connection with other people and various sources of information about life -- but to ultimately seek understanding of life, God, etc. directly from God/Love and Life as the Source.

 

[FearGod]

I think that there is a big difference between a prayer of the heart and a prayer of the ego. It seems that you made a geniune request to God from the heart. It does not matter whether the request was large or small, what matters is the quality of it. It does not seem that you were really looking for money, but for confirmation. I would say that you received it, and I think you believe you did, too.

I think that God answers us in the language of life we are speaking and the level of understanding that we are operating in at the time. Perhaps it is appropriate for you to recognize the existence of God even in "worldly" matters. So, if what you needed at that time was confirmation of God's existence, I think you may have received it.

If I were to interpret the events as you described it, I would find it curious that what you asked for was a consolation prize, and what you received was even greater. I would say you received a greater blessing than requested. I think that God only "wows" us on occassion -- to get our attention. But, I see no reason to assume that God could only speak to us through certain types of messages, and not others -- like the lottery. You were not looking for a lottery winning as a solution to cause and effect issues of life instead of dealing with them, but merely as a message you could recognize. That seems important to me.

Regarding the back pain that followed, I do not think that God punishes. However, if you gave your word, and did not fulfill it, I would interpret that as something that you may have done that you may have felt was not quite right. When we act against what we believe to be right, it has a damaging affect on our sense of personal integrity -- it fragments us internally. We suffer when we do that to ourselves.

I do not consider myself a religious person, mostly because I consider religon to involve adherence to doctrine -- which I think may often limit our approach to God and life. However, I do believe that God exists, and if God exists, I consider it a natural duty as a child of God to have a direct relationship with him -- to sometimes seek guidance and understanding from connection with other people and various sources of information about life -- but to ultimately seek understanding of life, God, etc. directly from God/Love and Life as the Source.

Thank you for your explanation which is very persuasive to me