Was Hitler a Christian?

[Saint Frankenstein]

You are right. There is no way actually to tell if any given person is a Christian. You have only their word. Hitler certainly indicated he was, but that may have been politically motivated rhetoric. Nobody knows for sure. His storm troopers did have "God is With Us" engraved on their belt buckles, though.

Lol

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, I think that it is clear that he was a Christian, probably to the moment of his death.

He was christian with crazy ideas? The catholic chancellor of a majority protestant country with vatican backing. He believed he was carrying out gods will.

Hitler certainly indicated he was, but that may have been politically motivated rhetoric. Nobody knows for sure. His storm troopers did have "God is With Us" engraved on their belt buckles, though.

Hitler wasn't a Christian, and this becomes apparent and obvious when you move past Mein Kampf. To Hitler, Christianity was the opium he dealt to the people to subdue the masses and gain control over. Once he was in power, he moved straight to reducing the influence of the church, and it is well documented that he didn't look favorably upon Christianity, and even loathed it. Even those closest to Hitler, such as Goebbels, wrote that Hitler didn't have good things to say about Christianity.

 

[Milton Platt]

Hitler wasn't a Christian, and this becomes apparent and obvious when you move past Mein Kampf. To Hitler, Christianity was the opium he dealt to the people to subdue the masses and gain control over. Once he was in power, he moved straight to reducing the influence of the church, and it is well documented that he didn't look favorably upon Christianity, and even loathed it. Even those closest to Hitler, such as Goebbels, wrote that Hitler didn't have good things to say about Christianity.

Very possible. There is evidence on both sides. In the end, he is dead and it doesn't really matter anymore. Do you think his army was devoid of Christians?
Religion has long been used to control people, especially the uneducated.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Very possible. There is evidence on both sides. In the end, he is dead and it doesn't really matter anymore. Do you think his army was devoid of Christians?
Religion has long been used to control people, especially the uneducated.

Those closest to him, those who recorded his very words as he spoke them, their evidence takes precedence over pretty much everyone else.

 

[Anthem]

Its academically and historically proven that Adolf Hitler was not Christian and was in fact anti-Christian. Academic documents literally prove that Hitler and his top leadership had long-term plans to get rid of Christianity in Germany and replace it with Germanic Paganism. The documents:
S R & A 3114.4 / The Nazi Master Plan / Annex 4: The Persecution of t…
The Third Reich: Working Relentlessly to Destroy Christianity

But how do you define Christian?

 

[Anthem]

Now surely a true Christian would go out clutching to something Christian?

Maybe he didn't have the leasure? I mean, not all believers christian or otherwise go hope for help from god if they still got things to do.

 

[Augustus]

In the end, he is dead and it doesn't really matter anymore.

No possible lessons could be learned from WW2; people should probably stop going on about it.

All in the past now, eh? Imagine still caring about presenting it accurately...

 

[wellwisher]

But God is like Hitler in so many ways. God flooded the world. God killed people for working on Sabbath. God killed children for disrespecting parents. God annihilated Sodom and Gomorrah. God had his chosen people wipe out cities of others, killing men, women, and children.

God says those who don't believe in him or worship him get tossed into a lake of fire. God tortures people for not worshipping him? God and Hitler appear to have much in common!

What you are describing was the God of the Old Testament, connected to the Jewish faith. Christianity is about the New Testament. The New Testament was a message of love and faith. Hitler was more old school, instead of new school. His hatred of the Jews could have been a projection of himself in terms of the Old Testament God. The God of the old Testament often exiled and punished the Jews, with foreign armies, for obeying foreign Gods. The Jews were under Rome during the formation of Christianity.

In the 4th century AD, the original form of Christianity, based on love and faith, changed when it became the official religion of Rome under Emperor Constantine. This merger formed a hybrid of Christianity, that was a blend of Roman and Christian ways, with Rome the over dog. Christianity was the official religion of Rome, Rome was not the official secular of Christianity. Christianity changed in line with render onto Caesar. The Roman Catholic Church came from this hybrid. It was rich and powerful instead of blessed were the poor. It took over the Roman empire.

The Roman Christianity hybrid began to split in about the 14th century. From the 4th century to the 14th century was 1000 years. It may have a symbolic connection to prophecy. The 14th century split caused the original Rome Christian hybrid to separate into an ever increasing number of Roman heavy and/or Christian heavy hybrids.

Hitler was connected to an aspect of the split that was very heavy on the Roman side. He thought he was an emperor; Caesar, who was about to begin a new 1000 year reign. Hitler was part of a hybrid of about 90% Roman and 10% Christian. Atheism came from a nearly pure Roman split.

 

[oldbadger]

Maybe he didn't have the leasure? I mean, not all believers christian or otherwise go hope for help from god if they still got things to do.

If you think so.........
Do you think he might have been a Lutheran, possibly?

 

[Anthem]

If you think so.........
Do you think he might have been a Lutheran, possibly?

Wiki says he was catholic so it's unlikely

 

[ChristineM]

Its academically and historically proven that Adolf Hitler was not Christian and was in fact anti-Christian. Academic documents literally prove that Hitler and his top leadership had long-term plans to get rid of Christianity in Germany and replace it with Germanic Paganism. The documents:
S R & A 3114.4 / The Nazi Master Plan / Annex 4: The Persecution of t…
The Third Reich: Working Relentlessly to Destroy Christianity

No it isnt, there is opinion, often put forward by christianity (or associates) to cover the truth. In this case you will be aware that the Nuremburg trials were actually locally illegal and internationally dodgy , presided over by american military and the subject "hitler" was not present to defend himself, and of course the crimes tried were not illegal in the context they were commited.

When the Vatican tells us he was not christian then i will accept their judgement, they are after all the final arbiter of who is and who isnt a member of their club.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm so sick of people bringing up the damn belt buckles like they mean anything. That "Gott mit uns" phrase had been used in German and Prussian heraldry and in military logos long before the Nazis even existed. They didn't come up with it. It was just an older tradition.

Gott mit uns - Wikipedia

And,

They mean hitler continued their use. Why? because he didnt believe in god?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And,

They mean hitler continued their use. Why? because he didnt believe in god?

Disliking Christianity doesn't equal atheism. Some have said he was an atheist and some disagree. But it's clear he was no Christian and historians are agreed on that matter.

Why would he remove that? It was a tradition and didn't go against a tenet of National Socialism. NS doesn't promote atheism, even though it is not Christian.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No possible lessons could be learned from WW2; people should probably stop going on about it.

All in the past now, eh? Imagine still caring about presenting it accurately...

Yep, no way that populist nationalism built on demonisation of marginalised minorities is relevant in any way to anything happening today.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

And,

They mean hitler continued their use. Why? because he didnt believe in god?

Are you putting facts in the story again? You KNOW they hate that!

 

[ChristineM]

Disliking Christianity doesn't equal atheism. Some have said he was an atheist and some disagree. But it's clear he was no Christian and historians are agreed on that matter.

Why would he remove that? It was a tradition and didn't go against a tenet of National Socialism. NS doesn't promote atheism, even though it is not Christian.

It is only clear to those who want to belive it is clear. No, historians do not agree, it is contencious. Hitler himself made his faith plain and the Vatican have not revoked that, rather they sent him an envoy to work with him during WW2.

Hitler didnt promote atheism either, in fact he persocuted atheists and had them killed, so that is pretty much a straw man

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It is only clear to those who want to belive it is clear. No, historians do not agree, it is contencious. Hitler himself made his faith plain and the Vatican have not revoked that, rather they sent him an envoy to work with him during WW2.

Hitler didnt promote atheism either, in fact he persocuted atheists and had them killed, so that is pretty much a straw man

"Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs have been a matter of debate; the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious, anti-Christian, anti-clerical and scientistic.[1] In light of evidence such as his fierce criticism and vocal rejection of the tenets of Christianity,[2] numerous private statements to confidants denouncing Christianity as a harmful superstition,[1] and his strenuous efforts to reduce the influence and independence of Christianity in Germany after he came to power, Hitler's major academic biographers conclude that he was irreligious and an opponent of Christianity.[1] Historian Laurence Rees found no evidence that "Hitler, in his personal life, ever expressed belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[3] Ernst Hanfstaegel, a friend from his early days in politics, says Hitler "was to all intents and purposes an atheist by the time I got to know him". However, historians such as Richard Weikart and Alan Bullock doubt the assessment that he was a true atheist, suggesting that despite his dislike of Christianity he still clung to a form of spiritual belief. [4]"
Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia

But you keep on believing that whether he was Christian or not is some contentious matter among historians.

And I never said that the Nazis promoted atheism. Where in the world did you get that from? That's the exact opposite of what I said.

 

[Revoltingest]

....in fact he persocuted atheists and had them killed, so that is pretty much a straw man

Not to challenge, but links?
(I'd not heard this.)

 

[Augustus]

They mean hitler continued their use. Why?

Do you believe that micromanaging the production of belt buckles was high on Hitler's lists of priorities?

Even assuming that it was, given that 95% of his troops were Christians, why would you expect him to change them with a high degree of certainty?

It's widely accepted that Mussolini was an atheist yet saw the value of coopting religion to his ends, why should we expect that an irreligious Hitler wouldn't do so?

 

[Augustus]

Not to challenge, but links?
(I'd not heard this.)

Godless commies were persecuted, not generic atheists. Atheism was no bar to joining the Nazi Party or being part of its senior leadership.