Was Jesus' Mother ever called Mary Christ?

[outhouse]

If there was a Jesus Christ then there has to be a Mary Christ, Joseph Christ, God Christ.

Can any Scholar answer the question?

If a Face palm, is just a face palm.

Can those two face palms have children?

Would their first child be named face and second palm????????????????????????

 

[Levite]

I keep seeing this thread pop up, and in my head, I'm envisioning ancient Jews who kind of look like my grandparents, with the lady going, "Hey, Shimon, you know who we haven't see in a while? The Christs."
"The Christs? You mean Yosef and Miriam and that crazy kid of theirs, the boy with the long hair who goes to the mikveh all the time?"
"Yeah. Remember, they're fun! Next time you see Yosef, why don't you invite the whole Christ family over for Shabbat? I'll make brisket."

 

[Desert Snake]

I keep seeing this thread pop up, and in my head, I'm envisioning ancient Jews who kind of look like my grandparents, with the lady going, "Hey, Shimon, you know who we haven't see in a while? The Christs."
"The Christs? You mean Yosef and Miriam and that crazy kid of theirs, the boy with the long hair who goes to the mikveh all the time?"
"Yeah. Remember, they're fun! Next time you see Yosef, why don't you invite the whole Christ family over for Shabbat? I'll make brisket."

I think Jesus pretty much wasn't a fan of the Mikvah, if He dropped it for Johns baptism, that quickly.

 

[Levite]

I think Jesus pretty much wasn't a fan of the Mikvah, if He dropped it for Johns baptism, that quickly.

Leaving the fact that I was kidding aside, at that point in history, there was as yet no demonstrable difference between mikveh and "baptism." The differences almost certainly post-date Jesus' lifetime by a considerable amount of time, decades at the very least. Even early church baptism was full-immersion in a vessel not unlike a very small mikveh, when they didn't go to natural bodies of water to use those-- just as Jews often did for mikveh.

 

[Desert Snake]

Leaving the fact that I was kidding aside, at that point in history, there was as yet no demonstrable difference between mikveh and "baptism." The differences almost certainly post-date Jesus' lifetime by a considerable amount of time, decades at the very least. Even early church baptism was full-immersion in a vessel not unlike a very small mikveh, when they didn't go to natural bodies of water to use those-- just as Jews often did for mikveh.

This merely bolsters my argument, that Johns baptism, really isn't the baptism by Jesus. It's just more evidence, as clearly, Johns baptism had the same 'purpose' as the Mikveh.


/The church and many believers equate Johns baptism, to the baptism by Jesus, or baptism, in spirit.

 

[outhouse]

at that point in history, there was as yet no demonstrable difference between mikveh and "baptism." The differences almost certainly post-date Jesus' lifetime by a considerable amount of time, decades at the very least. Even early church baptism was full-immersion in a vessel not unlike a very small mikveh, when they didn't go to natural bodies of water to use those-- just as Jews often did for mikveh.

Have you ever thought Johns movement started for those who did not have a mikveh out in the country?

But really I think its a bit different, ritual immersion and a one time event is a bit different being those who were baptized still used a mikveh but they used it in a different way.

After all it was required to enter the temple.

 

[Levite]

Have you ever thought Johns movement started for those who did not have a mikveh out in the country?

But really I think its a bit different, ritual immersion and a one time event is a bit different being those who were baptized still used a mikveh but they used it in a different way.

After all it was required to enter the temple.

Many if not most people in those days did not use constructed mikvaot. They used natural bodies of water-- springs, lakes, the ocean. Just as, for example, John apparently used the Jordan. Constructed mikvaot were a city phenomenon, for the most part, or villages with particularly wealthy patrons-- the exception, of course being the compounds of ascetic communities like Qumran. Large cisterns for mikvaot were expensive to make and maintain, and took a long time to fill. It was generally easier to use natural bodies of water.

Also, keep in mind, the majority of people did not go frequently to the Temple. Most went for the pilgrimage holidays, if they went at all, and that's only three times a year. They probably used the constructed mikvaot in Jerusalem for that, but one often had to immerse at home for other reasons, so it would have been much more usual for them to use natural mikvaot.

If I had to guess, I would imagine that Jesus-- and perhaps John-- were linking the ritual purification of mikveh with the poetic imagery in the prophets (cf. Ez. 36:25) of purification of the spirit. But the replacement entire of mikveh with a token sprinkling of water for largely symbolic spiritual purposes is unlikely to truly have roots in ritual practice of Jesus' time-- probably well after his death.